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From: philip neis via Bike-racers <
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To: Cliff Loucks <
swain@swcp.com>
Cc: bike-racers <
bike-racers@swcp.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2016 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [NMCycling] Seriously?
My point is that there is no such thing as "normal".
If you have to take a banned substance to compete
you shouldn't be competing.
> On Apr 26, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Cliff Loucks via
Bike-racers <bike-
racers@mailman.swcp.com>
wrote:
>
> Thanks Benjamin, that's exactly my point.
Philip, my logic is clear and correct. I did not say
"leveling the playing field". I said "playing the
level field". Which are exactly the opposite.
>
> This has nothing to do with a 'normal' athlete
cheating to improve his performance. Not in the
least. It's a poor schmuck who is physically
defective and under medical care. I would gladly
race with him and welcome him to the community.
Years ago I had a septoplasty so I could breath
better. Did that effect my performance on the
bicycle. Yes, arguably so. It brought me up to
equivalence with all the others in the field who's
nasal passages had not been damaged in prior
accidents.
>
> --Cliff
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Benjamin George via Bike-racers <bike-
racers@mailman.swcp.com>
> To:
microbiojavi@aol.com
> Cc: "bike-
racers@swcp.com"
<bike-
racers@swcp.com>,
Cliff Loucks <
Cliff@csloucks.net>
> Reply-To: Benjamin George <
benjaminjgeorge@gmail.com>
>
> When doctors bring patients up to normal
testosterone levels there is little to no advantage
as you are just normal.
>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 12:51 PM,
microbiojavi--- via Bike-racers <bike-
racers@mailman.swcp.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Race Clean. Race Safe.
>>
>> _Javier_
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Samuel Medina via Bike-racers
<bike-
racers@mailman.swcp.com>
>> To: philip neis <
philipneis@hotmail.com>
>> Cc: bike-racers <bike-
racers@swcp.com>;
Cliff Loucks <
Cliff@CSLoucks.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2016 12:50 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NMCycling] Seriously?
>>
>> The "level playing field" argument is
invalid. Taking any performance enhancing drugs to
win a race is racing like a coward. Doping is wrong
and immoral. End of story. Hats off to those who
race clean!
>>
>> Samuel Medina
>>
>> > On Apr 26, 2016, at 12:40, philip neis
via Bike-racers <bike-
racers@mailman.swcp.com>
wrote:
>> >
>> > By this logic if they are all doping
it's a "level playing field". If you have a medical
condition that prevents you from legally competing
in a sport you should not be competing in the sport.
Pretty sure Lance and all the other dopers from that
era already used the "level playing field" argument.
>> >
>> >> On Apr 26, 2016, at 11:08 AM,
Cliff Loucks via Bike-racers <bike-
racers@mailman.swcp.com>
wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yea, but in Teeple's case, they
made him prove he's naturally deficient so the
supplement would bring him up to a normal level.
Saying it another way, they are allowing him to
level the playing field - just the other around.
Let's call it playing the level field? The article
doesn't say anything about a middle of the pack
requirement in his case. That said. How many people
have the resources to pay out of pocket for an MRI?
You'd have to give up the next bike purchase. I'm
sure there is more to Teeple's case than the article
mentions. Based on the facts it presents, I think
the exemption is warranted.
>> >>
>> >> And That's The Way It Is,
>> >> --Walter
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Many of you probably have no clue
who I just quoted.
>> >> --Cliff
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Apr 26 2016 10:35 AM, Paul
Sery via Bike-racers wrote:
>> >>> I can't prove it but will
promise to slam on my brakes the next time
>> >>> I'm about to win if given my
TUE.
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2016,
Warsa, James S via Bike-racers wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ah, but that's what's
funny. You can get only get the TUE if you
>> >>>> prove you aren't going to
win. How the hell do you *prove* something
>> >>>> like that anyway?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Interpreting that quote
from USADA literally, though, it seems that
>> >>>> any placing other than
first is okay. So I'd say cover yourself in
>> >>>> patches.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Jim Warsa
>> >>>> Transport Methods Section
>> >>>> Computational Physics and
Methods Group, CCS-2
>> >>>> Computer, Computational
and Statistical Sciences Division
>> >>>> Los Alamos National
Laboratory
>> >>>> 505-667-0214 [1]
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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>> >>>> From: John Savickas <
John@Savickas.com>
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26,
2016 9:46 AM
>> >>>> To: Warsa, James S; bike-
racers@swcp.com
>> >>>> Subject: RE: [NMCycling]
Seriously?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hum, "Got Low T?" Side
effects of taking Low T medication
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1. Winning more races!
>> >>>> 2. PR at age 60 for Record
Challenge!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> USADA isn't broadcasting
the news - Not anymore. Word is out!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Race results will have to
have an *. *rider on Low T medication
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Instructions say use one
patch a day... What if I use 2 or 3?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Bike-racers [
mailto:bike-racers-bounces@mailman.swcp.com]
On Behalf Of
>> >>>> Warsa, James S via
Bike-racers
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26,
2016 8:01 AM
>> >>>> To: bike-
racers@swcp.com
>> >>>> Subject: [NMCycling]
Seriously?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Unbelievable. Almost. The
best part is someone can dope if they "prove to
>> >>>> USADA that he or she is
unlikely to actually win one of these amateur
>> >>>> races".
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
http://www.wsj.com/articles/prescription-steroids-get-a-quiet-exemption-1461
[2]
>> >>>> 365753
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Jim Warsa
>> >>>> Transport Methods Section
>> >>>> Computational Physics and
Methods Group, CCS-2 Computer, Computational and
>> >>>> Statistical Sciences
Division Los Alamos National Laboratory
>> >>>> 505-667-0214 [1]
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