Well summarized, John and John. No need to go into more detail about the importance of the masks. However, I would like to make one final observation on the issue at hand. It appears that there can be arguments that sound reasonable from a medical perspective about the effectiveness, or lack thereof in using masks. But these arguments are mute. Whether we can prove that masks actually work does not really matter at this point. What  we do know is this: Regardless of whether or not there is a cause (not using masks)  and effect (virus transmission is increased) relationship here that is empirically proven does not really matter. What we do know is that there is a strong correlation between using masks and social distancing, that clearly demonstrates that these strategies have slowed the spread in most countries. Unfortunately, the U.S. has politicized the pandemic, and this is very sad.  in Italy where I never discuss politics or religion with my friends and family, most italians have cooperated with the protocols and this has really helped. My friends there tell me that they are still wearing masks on a regular basis, including when cycling, even though things have improved substantially, at least where my family is from.. There is no reason not to wear a mask in public. We don't have to prove or disprove their effectiveness, scientifically. They work, and that's all we need to know for now.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:30 PM M. John Jordan via Bike-racers <bike-racers@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
Guess it's a good thing that J. Vance is wearing his mask/gaiter since he is a little snot and that is what the common mask/gaiters are supposed to stop.  Thinking ahead John, and well done!

I got about thirty minutes into the video just to make sure I wasn't missing anything.  I was amazed at the tone deafness of her (Tammy whatever) "explanation", as she was dismissive of folks like Dr.s Fauci and Birx as being single points of expertise, all the while talking about her single point of expertise as being the one person that everyone should listen to.  Conspiracy theorists must surely love her! She does have knowledge and experience with masks and their use, but I am not sure that I would agree that she is a noted and experienced pandemic expert, as someone like, say, Dr. Fauci is. Masks and careful social distancing are the only things reasonably proven as having a positive effect on stopping the spread of the virus.  Getting the spread rate down is the only thing (other than a proven and applied vaccine) that is going to make us feel safe to get back out there and mingle.  I do agree with her that the masks and gaiters that we are talking about wearing aren't good enough to stop an actual single viral particle, but to my limited understanding we don't tend to blow out individual viral particles, we blow out larger particles of mucous and sweat and the like that contain the virus particles.  Catching enough of these larger particles is key to lowering the viral load of a random exposure, say passing another cyclist or pedestrian.  Wearing one is a reasonable, short-term effort to help in lowering the larger spread of this frickin' thing.  Oh, side note, I think wearing one also shows that you care about your fellow citizens health, not the worst message to send.

As for the gaiter, I have one similar to John's (just another one from Amazon) and I decided to put it to the test by a longish 32 mile ITT on the Bosque trail last week, a 30 mile MTB ride in the Oak Flat area last Sunday, and a 32 mile/2900ft ascent ride yesterday (humid!) in the foothills "finger" climbs.  Never had a problem until I went up Hidden Valley Rd, then up Deer Trail Place w/no zig-zagging. Definitely zone 5 for me!  The amount of sweat on the gaiter did cause me to be inhaling actual water (sweat?  ewww!) so I did push it down.  Bonus, btw, on both the MTB and hard RR, when you start heading back down, you get one excellent cooling effect.  Second bonus on the MTB ride, no bugs/debris/dust, which usually causes me to have coughing fits several times in each ride.  I am probably going to adopt this as a piece of technical riding gear at least through bug season!

Oh, and I heard on FB that this Tammy person is the love child of Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx and that she just wants to shame them because she couldn't figure out how to become an actual doctor.  I can't prove it, but it must be true since it was on the interwebs. Just sayin'!

M. John Jordan (mjohnjordan@yahoo.com)


On Friday, July 24, 2020, 10:38:19 AM MDT, Mark Leisher via Bike-racers <bike-racers@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:


She starts with a false assumption at 11:30 and I assume she goes on to build a case based on that false assumption. No point in watching any more.

No supporting links or references. It's pure argument from authority, a common form of fallacious argument.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:25 AM John Vance via Bike-racers <bike-racers@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
I'm not going to watch a 50 minute video of idiocy from some nobody who knows nothing, posted by a nobody who knows nothing.
.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:15 AM David P via Bike-racers <bike-racers@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/100002578331008/videos/3134938159935431/UzpfSTEwODUzNjI4OTQ6MTAyMTYzODIyNDY4MDM4MzY/



On 7/15/2020 11:41 AM, Chris Kelley via Bike-racers wrote:
I’ll be reviewing the following and report back once they arrive:
the State Street Bike Masks
Buff Mask
Chris

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 12:38 Geoff via Bike-racers <bike-racers@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
Chandler. Thanks for sharing your experience.  I ordered a few different masks that were recommenced by Bicycling Magazine.  I’ll share my experience after riding with them.


On Jul 15, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Chandler Spears via Bike-racers <bike-racers@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

For those interested in constructive dialogue on the matter, I had great success this morning using a Coolmax neck gaitor. When I’m riding alone not within sight of anyone, I drop the gaiter below my chin. As I approach someone, say 20-30 yards back, I pull it up over my nose and mouth. Once clear by the same distance, down it goes again. As an aside, from my 2-hour ride this morning, which suffers some sample bias for sure, my method seems to be preferred. Most cyclists, hikers and runners were doing the exact same thing.  
 
Chandler Spears
Portfolio Manager
Davis Selected Advisers, L.P.
505.820.3033
 
 


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