Hello to all,I hope that my note below will reflect my best effort to provide some perspective and show respect for the people who are concerned and uncomfortable with having individuals who carry at meetings.I am concerned at the suggestion of guns being checked at the door - I know of no evidence that they could be properly tended.Those with concealed carry permits have taken coursework and passed exams in order to obtain their permits. These are the people who are able to intervene should a terrible event begin. The fact that Jack has attended, with no concerns arising, attests to his high level of regard for the responsibility required of him by his choice to carry.Evidence to date strongly suggests that individuals who seek to kill groups of people would not stop and check their gun at the door. And, if such a person should enter a meeting, wouldn't you rather have the guns in the hands of people who can make this person stop?It's true there are places where guns are not allowed, and I believe proprietors have the right to restrict them. To ask anyone to check a firearm at the door without serious safeguards in place would be extremely irresponsible. And, if this were done, the responsibility for those guns would be transferred to the proprietor.What I hear in many posts is feelings of discomfort and vulnerability - maybe a fear of having guns present in an area or space. A part of me experiences this also - so I "get it", at least to a degree. I have learned, though, to appreciate individuals who carry -- I've spent considerable time with someone who is a very trustworthy, solid citizen who carries always. I've learned about guns and proper handling/behavior when in possession of them. This has been helpful to me.For those who are interested in learning more --- learning is power, yes? --- Caliber's has a worthwhile gun safety class that might be worth a look.Hoping this came across well,KarenOn Jun 17, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Sambawcum via Neighbors_nobhill-nm wrote:_______________________________________________I'm not sure if the NHNA bylaws address the issue of firearms possession, or presence, at its functions. Our meeting venue, which is private property, may have something to say about it.I strongly request that you you, and anyone else who may be carrying, check their weapon at the door...or wherever.
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On Jun 17, 2016, at 04:49, Jack Hinton via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:Cliff,This is the problem with people who question the rights of anyone who carries a gun. Their "motives" are totally mis-characterized. I don't "feel the need" to carry a gun into the neighborhood association meeting. I carry my gun just about everywhere because anything can happen at any time. This includes while walking my dogs, the Smith's grocery store, at the movies, etc.We don't need to fund a study for anything. It's common sense.Jack
Sent from my iPhoneHow many of you knew I was in the neighborhood association meetings with a gun?My guess? None, Zero, Nada. Why? Exactly my point. Why do you feel the need to have one at a NHNA meeting?We don't have a "gun" problem. We have a mental health and ideology problem.EXACTLY! Thanks for returning us to what started this thread in the first place - the post that caused your knee jerk reaction. Zach brought up this subject for us all to consider. Thank you Zack.I'll be moving to TX soon and I'm really going to miss this neighborhood.Thank you Jack,—-Cliff_______________________________________________Mass murders have been committed with pressure cookers and airplanes.I am my brother's keeper. It's up to all of us to alert the authorities when we see something out of the ordinary. If our friends or family members are unstable or in distress, it's our responsibility to help them and that may mean taking their guns away without relying on government intervention.It's also up to all of us to defend ourselves and our neighbors. We shouldn't stand idle, while our neighbor's house is burglarized.Personally, I believe military service should be compulsory. In Switzerland, everyone gets a mental health evaluation through military service. Those who are unfit, don't get weapons.If you guys want to make Nob Hill a better neighborhood, be nosey neighbors. Question people who don't belong on your street. Take photos of suspicious cars.I'll be moving to TX soon and I'm really going to miss this neighborhood.Jack HintonSent from my iPhone
On Jun 16, 2016, at 4:28 PM, Susan Michie via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:Approximately 30,000 people die in fatal car crashes every year too. Down from 50,000 in the 70s-80s. We have somehow managed a ton of research that has helped us figure out how to make owning and operating a car safer without limiting how many cars a responsible, law abiding citizen can own and drive.Why can't we do that with guns? Why is it that every time someone mentions gun control or reducing gun violence, someone else assumes that their right to own a gun will be taken away? It just doesn't make good sense.Susan
From: Zachary Benz via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com>
To: Nob Hill <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] The AMA calls for enabling research into gun violence
Neighbors,I can fully understand what would lead someone to consider arming themselves for self defense. Below is a picture of a bullet I found on my roof just a few weeks ago. I don’t pretend to think there is a simple answer to gun violence, but I do hope there is something we can do to better understand its nature and its causes.As has been correctly pointed out, anything to do with federal funding for research is going to have to happen at the federal level. I wonder, though, if we couldn’t leverage the resources in our own community (e.g. UNM, APD, BCSO) to contribute to a deeper shared understanding of the problem by collecting and analyzing data from Albuquerque. This may well already be happening in some form, but if so, I’m not aware of it.Best regards,-ZachOn Jun 15, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Anderson Robert <citizen@comcast.net> wrote:To bring this home to Coal Ave I saw a group of motorcycle riders roar past my house one day some with guns high on their hips.
IMO the problem is not regulations on guns but the break down of our society due to many causes like changes in technology, identity, foreign policy all of which get reflected in the behavior and survival needs of individuals. Until we address that it will not do much. But we should try.
I hear gun shots in the night all the time around here. Not very comforting.
Bob
On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:29 AM, Sally Beers via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
Jack,
I tend to disagree with you.
Albuquerque has gun violence problems and we should be open to new ways of curbing them.
I am thankful for Zach's post and feel his input is exactly the kind of issue I want to hear from my neighbors.
Respectfully,
Sally Beers
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On Wed, 6/15/16, Allyn via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] The AMA calls for enabling research into gun violence
To: "Zachary Benz" <zbenz@me.com>
Cc: "Hill, Nob" <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2016, 6:18 AM
President
Obama's Surgeon General is using the AMA as a back door
means to grab guns. There is no need to bring this
political issue into our neighborhood e-mail nor bother Pat
Davis with this. I'm not sure what the point of this
e-mail is.
Thanks,Jack
From:
"Zachary Benz via Neighbors_nobhill-nm"
<neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com>
To: "Pat Davis"
<patdavis@cabq.gov>, neighbors@nobhill-nm.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:43:41
PM
Subject: [Neighbors] The AMA calls
for enabling research into gun violence
Pat, Neighbors,
I can appreciate
that there are many opinions out there on gun rights and on
the causes of gun violence. It would seem to me that the
American Medical Association's call for allowing
government researchers to be allowed to study the causes of
gun violence is highly sensible, and could be supported by
many across the political spectrum. Currently the federal
government is forbidden from funding research into gun
violence, leaving us all to lean on anecdote and our own
necessarily limited individual experiences rather than
shared deep insight.
The AMA put out the following statement
today:
"With approximately 30,000 men,
women and children dying each year at the barrel of a gun in
elementary schools, movie theaters, workplaces, houses of
worship and on live television, the United States faces a
public health crisis of gun violence. Even as America faces
a crisis unrivaled in any other developed country, the
Congress prohibits the CDC from conducting the very research
that would help us understand the problems associated with
gun violence and determine how to reduce the high rate of
firearm-related deaths and injuries. An epidemiological
analysis of gun violence is vital so physicians and other
health providers, law enforcement, and society at large may
be able to prevent injury, death and other harms to society
resulting from firearms."
Best regards,
Zach
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