Glad to hear others speaking out on this.  I have lived on the corner at Coal and Richmond for nearly 20 years.  It has been hell here, getting worse with more and more speeders and cars/trucks/motorcycles without mufflers.  When these vehicles are passing on Coal and Lead at same time we cannot hear ourselves talk in our house/yard.  Speed and noise as a problem go together.  Some slow vehicles are tricked out to sound like on a race track.  We need state laws to criminalize modifying vehicle sound emissions systems.  There appear to be none.  In rural areas this noise is cute stuff but in a dense urban neighborhood it is hell day and night.

As for motion sensing lights.  I see many vehicles run the red lights, they don’t stop as they are going so fast.  Four red lights would probably mean more crashes.  My latest idea is if we can’t get large round a-bouts at many intersections then we need many large speed bumps.  Lights, signs and markings don’t have any effect.  Our roadways all over the city have become freeways for criminal driving.  Also, maybe alternatively block off the north/south streets crossing Lead/Coal.  This would stop the vehicles that race past our house for one block they use to get Central or drag race to the next light n/s cross street.  The sound from these vehicles is so piercing it damages the ear.

Thanks for being active on this,
Bob

On Feb 10, 2021, at 11:53 AM, David Garcia via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

This input is all very valuable. I’d like to propose that we plan a community forum on this topic for sometime in March. I’d like to solicit ideas from the neighborhood on constructive solutions and perhaps invite elected officials. 

Please watch this space for more info. 

For those in favor of the opportunity before us, please email the reps in the initial email. 

Best,

David Garcia
Vice President, NHNA



On Feb 10, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Ciaran Lithgow <ciaranlithgow@gmail.com> wrote:

Like others in this thread, I am skeptical of this type of solution. I think a simpler, less costly, and less confusing solution would be to replace lights with stop signs. As someone who lives on a residential street between Lead and Coal, one block from the Carlisle/Lead/Coal intersections, I am doubtful that more lights will solve this problem. 

Thank you, 
Ciaran Lithgow

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:15 PM Tom Simic via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
So does this mean that the light at Carlise& Coal and other main intersections will be red in both directions  and what happens  when both cars approach  the intersection at the same time,,,,doesn't turn green at the same time in both directions,,,,,so, if a car is speeding,,,,,it has to stop first and then the light changes,,,,,,I know that something needs to be done to  stop the speeders, accidents and noise  pollution,,,,but maybe we need more data on this system

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Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart Lights initiative!
 
I should point out that I misstated something in the initial email. The rest-in-red lights actually remain red unless approached by a vehicle going the appropriate speed limit. So the issue of people trying to speed to run the light is moot. It will be red unless they go the right speed.

Any increase in enforcement (we continue to circle back to this ask) is by definition a temporary solution as long as traffic enforcement is a low priority with APD. We are looking for more permanent solutions on Lead and Coal that don’t require an officer assigned there 24/7. 

It should also be said that we agreed to support this initiative by the councilor with the understanding that it would be just a first step among many in solving the Lead/Coal puzzle. We are also looking at other initiatives. 

As a neighbor raising a toddler between Lead and Coal I respectfully ask again for neighbors to please write or call in support of this important project. I feel that it will be a net positive towards the goal of my family’s safety. 

Thanks much,

David Garcia
Vice President, NHNA

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On Feb 9, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Tom Simic <tomsimic@hotmail.com> wrote:


I sent Gary an email  yesterday expressing the same

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Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart Lights initiative!
 
Hi neighbors,

NHNA has had extensive discussions regarding what solutions may be available to help address the urgent problems that reckless driving is causing along Lead and Coal. It is a nightmare for neighbors that live on intersecting streets, especially those with children and pets. 

We have had discussions regarding increased enforcement, speed changes, and other traffic calming measures. Lead and Coal are challenging because the city utilizes them as a larger connector streets for traffic to and from downtown. This limits both what restrictions can be expected to be acceptable to the city, as well as the practical limitations caused by the decreased traffic capacities of both Central and Silver. As Greg stated, the city is very limited in terms of additional traffic enforcement due to violent and other major crimes that require police response.

This system will be a force multiplier to enforce traffic laws. It will reward drivers for maintaining the speed limit and punish drivers who speed with frequent stops. Not only will it encourage safe speeds, but it will also discourage reckless drivers from using Lead and Coal altogether. It is a creative response to a problem that has been very difficult for our neighborhood to address for some time now. Also, we have a significant financial and political commitment from Councillor Davis to assist us in addressing this problem. This is a rare opportunity for a new solution to one of the major challenges facing our neighborhood, and we should take advantage of it. 

I am in support of seeking funding the proposal. Good to hear from all of you, and to hear your important input on this issue!

Mark Nelson
Secretary
Nob Hill Neighborhood Association

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 7:05 PM SCOTT ELDREDGE <scott2467@msn.com> wrote:
Agree
More police presence solves multiple issues. 
Put that $ towards more officers/patrols.

Thanks, 
Scott 

Thanks, 
Scott 

On Feb 9, 2021, at 5:32 PM, JILL FRAWLEY via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

I agree with Van Eldredge completely.

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