The cheapest solution is to have police officers with radar detectors or RED LIGHT CAMERA'S on both Lead and Coal every day giving out traffic tickets to speeders, drivers texting and talking on their cell phones, drivers going through red lights and drivers who throw trash out of their car windows.  
The city would make a fortune.  
And then, the city can remove the parking meters in and around Nob Hill.

And those drivers who damage trees, shrubs, walls, signs, lights, etc be fined for the damage they have caused to OUR neighborhood.

Or, just put a toll both on both Lead and Coal because they are both highways.

I have said this in the past - when someone gets killed and the city gets sewed, then Mayor Keller will fix this mess.



Robert W Wengrod, Ed.S., LED

Educational Diagnostician 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart Lights
      initiative! (Ciaran Lithgow)
   2. Re: Nob Hill seeks your support on Lead and Coal Aves.
      (Jim Barrera)
   3. Re: Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart Lights
      initiative! (David Garcia)
   4. Re: Nob Hill seeks your support on Lead and Coal Aves.
      (Suzann Owings)
   5. Re: Nob Hill seeks your support on Lead and Coal Aves. (Tom Simic)
   6. Re: Nob Hill seeks your support on Lead and Coal Aves.
      (Dennis P Trujillo)
   7. Re: Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart Lights
      initiative! (Robert L Anderson)
   8. Re: Nob Hill seeks your support on Lead and Coal Aves.
      (Spencer Nelson)
   9. Re: Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart Lights
      initiative! (ltadvisor@yahoo.com)
  10. Re: Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart Lights
      initiative! (imides-46686@mypacks.net)
  11. Appliance repair recommendations (LISA JOHNSON)
  12. Re: Appliance repair recommendations (Philip Dale)
  13. Re: Appliance repair recommendations (mike)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:13:00 -0700
From: Ciaran Lithgow <ciaranlithgow@gmail.com>
To: Tom Simic <tomsimic@hotmail.com>
Cc: David Garcia <david@halflifedigital.com>,
        "neighbors@nobhill-nm.com" <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>, TheBoard
        NobHill-NM <theboard@nobhill-nm.com>
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart
        Lights initiative!
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Like others in this thread, I am skeptical of this type of solution. I
think a simpler, less costly, and less confusing solution would be to
replace lights with stop signs. As someone who lives on a residential
street between Lead and Coal, one block from the Carlisle/Lead/Coal
intersections, I am doubtful that more lights will solve this problem.

Thank you,
Ciaran Lithgow
ciaranlithgow@gmail.com

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:15 PM Tom Simic via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

> So does this mean that the light at Carlise& Coal and other main
> intersections will be red in both directions  and what happens  when both
> cars approach  the intersection at the same time,,,,doesn't turn green at
> the same time in both directions,,,,,so, if a car is speeding,,,,,it has to
> stop first and then the light changes,,,,,,I know that something needs to
> be done to  stop the speeders, accidents and noise  pollution,,,,but maybe
> we need more data on this system
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* David Garcia <david@halflifedigital.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2021 9:11:57 PM
> *To:* Tom Simic <tomsimic@hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* neighbors@nobhill-nm.com <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>; TheBoard
> NobHill-NM <theboard@nobhill-nm.com>; Mark Nelson <r.mark.nelson@gmail.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart
> Lights initiative!
>
> I should point out that I misstated something in the initial email. The
> rest-in-red lights actually remain red unless approached by a vehicle going
> the appropriate speed limit. So the issue of people trying to speed to run
> the light is moot. It will be red unless they go the right speed.
>
> Any increase in enforcement (we continue to circle back to this ask) is by
> definition a temporary solution as long as traffic enforcement is a low
> priority with APD. We are looking for more permanent solutions on Lead and
> Coal that don?t require an officer assigned there 24/7.
>
> It should also be said that we agreed to support this initiative by the
> councilor with the understanding that it would be just a first step among
> many in solving the Lead/Coal puzzle. We are also looking at other
> initiatives.
>
> As a neighbor raising a toddler between Lead and Coal I respectfully ask
> again for neighbors to please write or call in support of this important
> project. I feel that it will be a net positive towards the goal of my
> family?s safety.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> David Garcia
> Vice President, NHNA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 9, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Tom Simic <tomsimic@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> I sent Gary an email  yesterday expressing the same
>
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> *From:* Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces@mailman.swcp.com> on behalf of Mark Nelson
> via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2021 7:38:28 PM
> *To:* neighbors@nobhill-nm.com <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>; TheBoard
> NobHill-NM <theboard@nobhill-nm.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart
> Lights initiative!
>
> Hi neighbors,
>
> NHNA has had extensive discussions regarding what solutions may be
> available to help address the urgent problems that reckless driving is
> causing along Lead and Coal. It is a nightmare for neighbors that live on
> intersecting streets, especially those with children and pets.
>
> We have had discussions regarding increased enforcement, speed changes,
> and other traffic calming measures. Lead and Coal are challenging because
> the city utilizes them as a larger connector streets for traffic to and
> from downtown. This limits both what restrictions can be expected to be
> acceptable to the city, as well as the practical limitations caused by the
> decreased traffic capacities of both Central and Silver. As Greg stated,
> the city is very limited in terms of additional traffic enforcement due to
> violent and other major crimes that require police response.
>
> This system will be a force multiplier to enforce traffic laws. It
> will reward drivers for maintaining the speed limit and punish drivers who
> speed with frequent stops. Not only will it encourage safe speeds, but it
> will also discourage reckless drivers from using Lead and Coal altogether.
> It is a creative response to a problem that has been very difficult for our
> neighborhood to address for some time now. Also, we have a significant
> financial and political commitment from Councillor Davis to assist us in
> addressing this problem. This is a rare opportunity for a new solution to
> one of the major challenges facing our neighborhood, and we should take
> advantage of it.
>
> I am in support of seeking funding the proposal. Good to hear from all of
> you, and to hear your important input on this issue!
>
> Mark Nelson
> Secretary
> Nob Hill Neighborhood Association
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 7:05 PM SCOTT ELDREDGE <scott2467@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Agree
> More police presence solves multiple issues.
> Put that $ towards more officers/patrols.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
> On Feb 9, 2021, at 5:32 PM, JILL FRAWLEY via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> ?I agree with Van Eldredge completely.
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:37:02 -0700
From: Jim Barrera <chiledoggie@gmail.com>
To: Melodie Eyster <meyster1@me.com>
Cc: gail@gailchasey.com, a.sedillolopez@nmlegis.gov, Neighbors Nob
        Hill <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>, Joseph Aguirre
        <jaguirre_87106@yahoo.com>, John Pate <JPate@molzencorbin.com>,
        TheBoard <theboard@nobhill-nm.com>
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Nob Hill seeks your support on Lead and Coal
        Aves.
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A couple neighbors asked me to weigh in on this issue, so I will share what
I know.

There are some speed-actuated traffic signals in operation elsewhere in the
U.S.  One type has the signals ?rest in red? on all approaches.  When the
detectors sense vehicles approaching at or under the speed limit, the
system gives that approach a green light.  If the detectors sense vehicles
approaching at above the speed limit (possibly with some leeway allowed),
it holds that approach on red until the vehicles arrive and have to stop.

Traffic engineers have learned several things about these systems:

1.  For them to be effective, there must be driver education about the
system.  Drivers must understand that their behavior (speed) is directly
affecting whether they get a green light or not.

2.  Related to #1, these systems may be effective at isolated intersections
with single-lane approaches, where the behavior/reward is obvious to the
driver.  They are not considered effective for roadways with multiple
lanes, where other vehicles will often trigger the system punishing
everyone else who was traveling at the speed limit.

3.  They are not recommended for roadways with high traffic volumes.  Other
cities have found that about 5,000 vehicles per day is the maximum traffic
where these systems work well.  Lead/Coal each move upwards of 14,000
vehicles per day.  At these higher traffic volumes, such systems triggering
extra red lights will just cause unnecessary congestion.

4.  These systems can work well at isolated intersections, but they are
inappropriate for a corridor with timed coordinated traffic signals.
Lead/Coal is a coordinated corridor with signals timed for 30 MPH.  During
peak commute periods, they move the platoons of vehicles efficiently
through the system.  A speeding vehicle in the middle of the night may be
stopped by this system, but during rush hour, just a few activations will
turn Lead/Coal into gridlock.

A second type of system is not rest-in-red, but one that operates like a
normal traffic signal alternately giving the main street and cross streets
green lights/red lights.  When the green is on the main street and it
senses a vehicle approaching at above the speed limit, the system will
change it to yellow and then red.  The system would have to detect the
speeding vehicle far enough in advance of the intersection that the safe
required yellow time can be provided and go to red before the vehicle
arrives.  On Lead/Coal, this type of operation may be effective to curtail
the excessive speeders in off-peak hours like at night when there is little
traffic.  But it would still be inappropriate to do this during coordinated
timed operation for peak traffic hours.

`jimb



On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:13 AM Melodie Eyster via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

> Good morning, Antoinette and Gail.
>
>
>
> Nob Hill and surrounding neighborhoods need your support for the *Lead &
> Coal Safety Upgrades Capital Outlay Request, LCS Project ID 1275.*
>
>
>
> Capital Outlay Request Amount: $250k
>
> Total Project Cost: $350k
>
> Funding Secured: $100k
>
> State ICIP Project ID: 30957
>
> LCS Project ID: 1275
>
>
>
> Along with our sister associations, University Heights and Southeast
> Heights, Nob Hill Neighborhood Association has long sought an answer to the
> speeding, reckless driving, and high speed accidents on Lead & Coal Aves.
> We?ve tried virtually everything but the situation is still horrible.
>
> City Councilor Pat Davis has come up with an innovative idea to install
> speed sensitive traffic signals known as rest in red signals that only turn
> green when the approaching vehicle is traveling at or below the speed
> limit. The project is in the study and design phase.
>
> The capital outlay request of $250,000 would be combined with City funds
> of $100,000 to implement this project, save lives, and enhance quality of
> life for hundreds of families on the corridor.
>
>
>
> We urge your support and we urge any neighbor who feels the same to reach
> out as well.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Gary Eyster
>
> President, Nob Hill Neighborhood Association
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:53:38 -0700
From: David Garcia <david@halflifedigital.com>
To: Ciaran Lithgow <ciaranlithgow@gmail.com>
Cc: Tom Simic <tomsimic@hotmail.com>, "neighbors@nobhill-nm.com"
        <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>, TheBoard NobHill-NM
        <theboard@nobhill-nm.com>
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart
        Lights initiative!
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This input is all very valuable. I?d like to propose that we plan a community forum on this topic for sometime in March. I?d like to solicit ideas from the neighborhood on constructive solutions and perhaps invite elected officials.

Please watch this space for more info.

For those in favor of the opportunity before us, please email the reps in the initial email.

Best,

David Garcia
Vice President, NHNA



> On Feb 10, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Ciaran Lithgow <ciaranlithgow@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Like others in this thread, I am skeptical of this type of solution. I think a simpler, less costly, and less confusing solution would be to replace lights with stop signs. As someone who lives on a residential street between Lead and Coal, one block from the Carlisle/Lead/Coal intersections, I am doubtful that more lights will solve this problem.
>
> Thank you,
> Ciaran Lithgow
> ciaranlithgow@gmail.com <mailto:ciaranlithgow@gmail.com>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:15 PM Tom Simic via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
> So does this mean that the light at Carlise& Coal and other main intersections will be red in both directions  and what happens  when both cars approach  the intersection at the same time,,,,doesn't turn green at the same time in both directions,,,,,so, if a car is speeding,,,,,it has to stop first and then the light changes,,,,,,I know that something needs to be done to  stop the speeders, accidents and noise  pollution,,,,but maybe we need more data on this system
>
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> To: Tom Simic <tomsimic@hotmail.com <mailto:tomsimic@hotmail.com>>
> Cc: neighbors@nobhill-nm.com <mailto:neighbors@nobhill-nm.com> <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com <mailto:neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>>; TheBoard NobHill-NM <theboard@nobhill-nm.com <mailto:theboard@nobhill-nm.com>>; Mark Nelson <r.mark.nelson@gmail.com <mailto:r.mark.nelson@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart Lights initiative!
> 
> I should point out that I misstated something in the initial email. The rest-in-red lights actually remain red unless approached by a vehicle going the appropriate speed limit. So the issue of people trying to speed to run the light is moot. It will be red unless they go the right speed.
>
> Any increase in enforcement (we continue to circle back to this ask) is by definition a temporary solution as long as traffic enforcement is a low priority with APD. We are looking for more permanent solutions on Lead and Coal that don?t require an officer assigned there 24/7.
>
> It should also be said that we agreed to support this initiative by the councilor with the understanding that it would be just a first step among many in solving the Lead/Coal puzzle. We are also looking at other initiatives.
>
> As a neighbor raising a toddler between Lead and Coal I respectfully ask again for neighbors to please write or call in support of this important project. I feel that it will be a net positive towards the goal of my family?s safety.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> David Garcia
> Vice President, NHNA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Tom Simic <tomsimic@hotmail.com <mailto:tomsimic@hotmail.com>> wrote:
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>> ?
>> I sent Gary an email  yesterday expressing the same
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>> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart Lights initiative!
>> 
>> Hi neighbors,
>>
>> NHNA has had extensive discussions regarding what solutions may be available to help address the urgent problems that reckless driving is causing along Lead and Coal. It is a nightmare for neighbors that live on intersecting streets, especially those with children and pets.
>>
>> We have had discussions regarding increased enforcement, speed changes, and other traffic calming measures. Lead and Coal are challenging because the city utilizes them as a larger connector streets for traffic to and from downtown. This limits both what restrictions can be expected to be acceptable to the city, as well as the practical limitations caused by the decreased traffic capacities of both Central and Silver. As Greg stated, the city is very limited in terms of additional traffic enforcement due to violent and other major crimes that require police response.
>>
>> This system will be a force multiplier to enforce traffic laws. It will reward drivers for maintaining the speed limit and punish drivers who speed with frequent stops. Not only will it encourage safe speeds, but it will also discourage reckless drivers from using Lead and Coal altogether. It is a creative response to a problem that has been very difficult for our neighborhood to address for some time now. Also, we have a significant financial and political commitment from Councillor Davis to assist us in addressing this problem. This is a rare opportunity for a new solution to one of the major challenges facing our neighborhood, and we should take advantage of it.
>>
>> I am in support of seeking funding the proposal. Good to hear from all of you, and to hear your important input on this issue!
>>
>> Mark Nelson
>> Secretary
>> Nob Hill Neighborhood Association
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 7:05 PM SCOTT ELDREDGE <scott2467@msn.com <mailto:scott2467@msn.com>> wrote:
>> Agree
>> More police presence solves multiple issues.
>> Put that $ towards more officers/patrols.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 13:04:59 -0700
From: Suzann Owings <sowings06@comcast.net>
To: Jim Barrera <chiledoggie@gmail.com>
Cc: Melodie Eyster <meyster1@me.com>, gail@gailchasey.com, Joseph
        Aguirre <jaguirre_87106@yahoo.com>, a.sedillolopez@nmlegis.gov,
        TheBoard <theboard@nobhill-nm.com>, Neighbors Nob Hill
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Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Nob Hill seeks your support on Lead and Coal
        Aves.
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WOW, what a comprehensive response.  Thank you for your research, S
Suzann Owings
Mailing Address - P. O. Box 40352
Albuquerque, NM 87196 ? so@docso.com
Telephone 505-867-0567/text 505-331-1463
Failure at some point in your life is inevitable,
but giving up is unforgivable.  Biden


On Feb 10, 2021, at 11:37 AM, Jim Barrera via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

 <>A couple neighbors asked me to weigh in on this issue, so I will share what I know.

There are some speed-actuated traffic signals in operation elsewhere in the U.S.  One type has the signals ?rest in red? on all approaches.  When the detectors sense vehicles approaching at or under the speed limit, the system gives that approach a green light.  If the detectors sense vehicles approaching at above the speed limit (possibly with some leeway allowed), it holds that approach on red until the vehicles arrive and have to stop.

Traffic engineers have learned several things about these systems:

1.  For them to be effective, there must be driver education about the system.  Drivers must understand that their behavior (speed) is directly affecting whether they get a green light or not.

2.  Related to #1, these systems may be effective at isolated intersections with single-lane approaches, where the behavior/reward is obvious to the driver.  They are not considered effective for roadways with multiple lanes, where other vehicles will often trigger the system punishing everyone else who was traveling at the speed limit.

3.  They are not recommended for roadways with high traffic volumes.  Other cities have found that about 5,000 vehicles per day is the maximum traffic where these systems work well.  Lead/Coal each move upwards of 14,000 vehicles per day.  At these higher traffic volumes, such systems triggering extra red lights will just cause unnecessary congestion.

4.  These systems can work well at isolated intersections, but they are inappropriate for a corridor with timed coordinated traffic signals.  Lead/Coal is a coordinated corridor with signals timed for 30 MPH.  During peak commute periods, they move the platoons of vehicles efficiently through the system.  A speeding vehicle in the middle of the night may be stopped by this system, but during rush hour, just a few activations will turn Lead/Coal into gridlock.

A second type of system is not rest-in-red, but one that operates like a normal traffic signal alternately giving the main street and cross streets green lights/red lights.  When the green is on the main street and it senses a vehicle approaching at above the speed limit, the system will change it to yellow and then red.  The system would have to detect the speeding vehicle far enough in advance of the intersection that the safe required yellow time can be provided and go to red before the vehicle arrives.  On Lead/Coal, this type of operation may be effective to curtail the excessive speeders in off-peak hours like at night when there is little traffic.  But it would still be inappropriate to do this during coordinated timed operation for peak traffic hours. 

`jimb




On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:13 AM Melodie Eyster via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
Good morning, Antoinette and Gail.
 
Nob Hill and surrounding neighborhoods need your support for the Lead & Coal Safety Upgrades Capital Outlay Request, LCS Project ID 1275.
 
Capital Outlay Request Amount: $250k
Total Project Cost: $350k
Funding Secured: $100k
State ICIP Project ID: 30957
LCS Project ID: 1275
 
Along with our sister associations, University Heights and Southeast Heights, Nob Hill Neighborhood Association has long sought an answer to the speeding, reckless driving, and high speed accidents on Lead & Coal Aves. We?ve tried virtually everything but the situation is still horrible.
City Councilor Pat Davis has come up with an innovative idea to install speed sensitive traffic signals known as rest in red signals that only turn green when the approaching vehicle is traveling at or below the speed limit. The project is in the study and design phase.
The capital outlay request of $250,000 would be combined with City funds of $100,000 to implement this project, save lives, and enhance quality of life for hundreds of families on the corridor.
 
We urge your support and we urge any neighbor who feels the same to reach out as well.
 
Kind regards,
 
Gary Eyster
President, Nob Hill Neighborhood Association
 
 

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:13:54 +0000
From: Tom Simic <tomsimic@hotmail.com>
To: Melodie Eyster <meyster1@me.com>, Jim Barrera
        <chiledoggie@gmail.com>
Cc: "gail@gailchasey.com" <gail@gailchasey.com>, Joseph Aguirre
        <jaguirre_87106@yahoo.com>, "a.sedillolopez@nmlegis.gov"
        <a.sedillolopez@nmlegis.gov>, TheBoard <theboard@nobhill-nm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Nob Hill seeks your support on Lead and Coal
        Aves.
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Thank you Jim for clearing that up,,,,it sure answers the questions I had

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Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Nob Hill seeks your support on Lead and Coal Aves.


A couple neighbors asked me to weigh in on this issue, so I will share what I know.

There are some speed-actuated traffic signals in operation elsewhere in the U.S.  One type has the signals ?rest in red? on all approaches.  When the detectors sense vehicles approaching at or under the speed limit, the system gives that approach a green light.  If the detectors sense vehicles approaching at above the speed limit (possibly with some leeway allowed), it holds that approach on red until the vehicles arrive and have to stop.

Traffic engineers have learned several things about these systems:

1.  For them to be effective, there must be driver education about the system.  Drivers must understand that their behavior (speed) is directly affecting whether they get a green light or not.

2.  Related to #1, these systems may be effective at isolated intersections with single-lane approaches, where the behavior/reward is obvious to the driver.  They are not considered effective for roadways with multiple lanes, where other vehicles will often trigger the system punishing everyone else who was traveling at the speed limit.

3.  They are not recommended for roadways with high traffic volumes.  Other cities have found that about 5,000 vehicles per day is the maximum traffic where these systems work well.  Lead/Coal each move upwards of 14,000 vehicles per day.  At these higher traffic volumes, such systems triggering extra red lights will just cause unnecessary congestion.

4.  These systems can work well at isolated intersections, but they are inappropriate for a corridor with timed coordinated traffic signals.  Lead/Coal is a coordinated corridor with signals timed for 30 MPH.  During peak commute periods, they move the platoons of vehicles efficiently through the system.  A speeding vehicle in the middle of the night may be stopped by this system, but during rush hour, just a few activations will turn Lead/Coal into gridlock.

A second type of system is not rest-in-red, but one that operates like a normal traffic signal alternately giving the main street and cross streets green lights/red lights.  When the green is on the main street and it senses a vehicle approaching at above the speed limit, the system will change it to yellow and then red.  The system would have to detect the speeding vehicle far enough in advance of the intersection that the safe required yellow time can be provided and go to red before the vehicle arrives.  On Lead/Coal, this type of operation may be effective to curtail the excessive speeders in off-peak hours like at night when there is little traffic.  But it would still be inappropriate to do this during coordinated timed operation for peak traffic hours.

`jimb


On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:13 AM Melodie Eyster via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com<mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:

Good morning, Antoinette and Gail.



Nob Hill and surrounding neighborhoods need your support for the Lead & Coal Safety Upgrades Capital Outlay Request, LCS Project ID 1275.



Capital Outlay Request Amount: $250k

Total Project Cost: $350k

Funding Secured: $100k

State ICIP Project ID: 30957

LCS Project ID: 1275



Along with our sister associations, University Heights and Southeast Heights, Nob Hill Neighborhood Association has long sought an answer to the speeding, reckless driving, and high speed accidents on Lead & Coal Aves. We?ve tried virtually everything but the situation is still horrible.

City Councilor Pat Davis has come up with an innovative idea to install speed sensitive traffic signals known as rest in red signals that only turn green when the approaching vehicle is traveling at or below the speed limit. The project is in the study and design phase.

The capital outlay request of $250,000 would be combined with City funds of $100,000 to implement this project, save lives, and enhance quality of life for hundreds of families on the corridor.



We urge your support and we urge any neighbor who feels the same to reach out as well.



Kind regards,



Gary Eyster

President, Nob Hill Neighborhood Association





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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 13:34:32 -0700
From: Dennis P Trujillo <dptrujillo@gmail.com>
To: Jim Barrera <chiledoggie@gmail.com>
Cc: Melodie Eyster <meyster1@me.com>, gail@gailchasey.com, Joseph
        Aguirre <jaguirre_87106@yahoo.com>, a.sedillolopez@nmlegis.gov,
        TheBoard <theboard@nobhill-nm.com>, Neighbors Nob Hill
        <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>, John Pate <JPate@molzencorbin.com>,
        Neighbors Nob Hill <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Nob Hill seeks your support on Lead and Coal
        Aves.
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Thank you for this. This is the type evaluation/analysis needed.
Dennis

> On Feb 10, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Jim Barrera via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> A couple neighbors asked me to weigh in on this issue, so I will share what I know.
>
> There are some speed-actuated traffic signals in operation elsewhere in the U.S.  One type has the signals ?rest in red? on all approaches.  When the detectors sense vehicles approaching at or under the speed limit, the system gives that approach a green light.  If the detectors sense vehicles approaching at above the speed limit (possibly with some leeway allowed), it holds that approach on red until the vehicles arrive and have to stop.
>
> Traffic engineers have learned several things about these systems:
>
> 1.  For them to be effective, there must be driver education about the system.  Drivers must understand that their behavior (speed) is directly affecting whether they get a green light or not.
>
> 2.  Related to #1, these systems may be effective at isolated intersections with single-lane approaches, where the behavior/reward is obvious to the driver.  They are not considered effective for roadways with multiple lanes, where other vehicles will often trigger the system punishing everyone else who was traveling at the speed limit.
>
> 3.  They are not recommended for roadways with high traffic volumes.  Other cities have found that about 5,000 vehicles per day is the maximum traffic where these systems work well.  Lead/Coal each move upwards of 14,000 vehicles per day.  At these higher traffic volumes, such systems triggering extra red lights will just cause unnecessary congestion.
>
> 4.  These systems can work well at isolated intersections, but they are inappropriate for a corridor with timed coordinated traffic signals.  Lead/Coal is a coordinated corridor with signals timed for 30 MPH.  During peak commute periods, they move the platoons of vehicles efficiently through the system.  A speeding vehicle in the middle of the night may be stopped by this system, but during rush hour, just a few activations will turn Lead/Coal into gridlock.
>
> A second type of system is not rest-in-red, but one that operates like a normal traffic signal alternately giving the main street and cross streets green lights/red lights.  When the green is on the main street and it senses a vehicle approaching at above the speed limit, the system will change it to yellow and then red.  The system would have to detect the speeding vehicle far enough in advance of the intersection that the safe required yellow time can be provided and go to red before the vehicle arrives.  On Lead/Coal, this type of operation may be effective to curtail the excessive speeders in off-peak hours like at night when there is little traffic.  But it would still be inappropriate to do this during coordinated timed operation for peak traffic hours. 
>
> `jimb
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:13 AM Melodie Eyster via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>> Good morning, Antoinette and Gail.
>> 
>> Nob Hill and surrounding neighborhoods need your support for the Lead & Coal Safety Upgrades Capital Outlay Request, LCS Project ID 1275.
>> 
>> Capital Outlay Request Amount: $250k
>> Total Project Cost: $350k
>> Funding Secured: $100k
>> State ICIP Project ID: 30957
>> LCS Project ID: 1275
>> 
>> Along with our sister associations, University Heights and Southeast Heights, Nob Hill Neighborhood Association has long sought an answer to the speeding, reckless driving, and high speed accidents on Lead & Coal Aves. We?ve tried virtually everything but the situation is still horrible.
>> City Councilor Pat Davis has come up with an innovative idea to install speed sensitive traffic signals known as rest in red signals that only turn green when the approaching vehicle is traveling at or below the speed limit. The project is in the study and design phase.
>> The capital outlay request of $250,000 would be combined with City funds of $100,000 to implement this project, save lives, and enhance quality of life for hundreds of families on the corridor.
>> 
>> We urge your support and we urge any neighbor who feels the same to reach out as well.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Gary Eyster
>> President, Nob Hill Neighborhood Association
>> 
>> 
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 13:41:29 -0700
From: Robert L Anderson <citizen@comcast.net>
To: Nob Hill <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart
        Lights initiative!
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Glad to hear others speaking out on this.  I have lived on the corner at Coal and Richmond for nearly 20 years.  It has been hell here, getting worse with more and more speeders and cars/trucks/motorcycles without mufflers.  When these vehicles are passing on Coal and Lead at same time we cannot hear ourselves talk in our house/yard.  Speed and noise as a problem go together.  Some slow vehicles are tricked out to sound like on a race track.  We need state laws to criminalize modifying vehicle sound emissions systems.  There appear to be none.  In rural areas this noise is cute stuff but in a dense urban neighborhood it is hell day and night.

As for motion sensing lights.  I see many vehicles run the red lights, they don?t stop as they are going so fast.  Four red lights would probably mean more crashes.  My latest idea is if we can?t get large round a-bouts at many intersections then we need many large speed bumps.  Lights, signs and markings don?t have any effect.  Our roadways all over the city have become freeways for criminal driving.  Also, maybe alternatively block off the north/south streets crossing Lead/Coal.  This would stop the vehicles that race past our house for one block they use to get Central or drag race to the next light n/s cross street.  The sound from these vehicles is so piercing it damages the ear.

Thanks for being active on this,
Bob

On Feb 10, 2021, at 11:53 AM, David Garcia via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

This input is all very valuable. I?d like to propose that we plan a community forum on this topic for sometime in March. I?d like to solicit ideas from the neighborhood on constructive solutions and perhaps invite elected officials.

Please watch this space for more info.

For those in favor of the opportunity before us, please email the reps in the initial email.

Best,

David Garcia
Vice President, NHNA



> On Feb 10, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Ciaran Lithgow <ciaranlithgow@gmail.com <mailto:ciaranlithgow@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Like others in this thread, I am skeptical of this type of solution. I think a simpler, less costly, and less confusing solution would be to replace lights with stop signs. As someone who lives on a residential street between Lead and Coal, one block from the Carlisle/Lead/Coal intersections, I am doubtful that more lights will solve this problem.
>
> Thank you,
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> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:15 PM Tom Simic via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
> So does this mean that the light at Carlise& Coal and other main intersections will be red in both directions  and what happens  when both cars approach  the intersection at the same time,,,,doesn't turn green at the same time in both directions,,,,,so, if a car is speeding,,,,,it has to stop first and then the light changes,,,,,,I know that something needs to be done to  stop the speeders, accidents and noise  pollution,,,,but maybe we need more data on this system
>
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> Cc: neighbors@nobhill-nm.com <mailto:neighbors@nobhill-nm.com> <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com <mailto:neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>>; TheBoard NobHill-NM <theboard@nobhill-nm.com <mailto:theboard@nobhill-nm.com>>; Mark Nelson <r.mark.nelson@gmail.com <mailto:r.mark.nelson@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart Lights initiative!
> 
> I should point out that I misstated something in the initial email. The rest-in-red lights actually remain red unless approached by a vehicle going the appropriate speed limit. So the issue of people trying to speed to run the light is moot. It will be red unless they go the right speed.
>
> Any increase in enforcement (we continue to circle back to this ask) is by definition a temporary solution as long as traffic enforcement is a low priority with APD. We are looking for more permanent solutions on Lead and Coal that don?t require an officer assigned there 24/7.
>
> It should also be said that we agreed to support this initiative by the councilor with the understanding that it would be just a first step among many in solving the Lead/Coal puzzle. We are also looking at other initiatives.
>
> As a neighbor raising a toddler between Lead and Coal I respectfully ask again for neighbors to please write or call in support of this important project. I feel that it will be a net positive towards the goal of my family?s safety.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> David Garcia
> Vice President, NHNA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Tom Simic <tomsimic@hotmail.com <mailto:tomsimic@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> I sent Gary an email  yesterday expressing the same
>>
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>> From: Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces@mailman.swcp.com <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces@mailman.swcp.com>> on behalf of Mark Nelson via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 7:38:28 PM
>> To: neighbors@nobhill-nm.com <mailto:neighbors@nobhill-nm.com> <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com <mailto:neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>>; TheBoard NobHill-NM <theboard@nobhill-nm.com <mailto:theboard@nobhill-nm.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart Lights initiative!
>> 
>> Hi neighbors,
>>
>> NHNA has had extensive discussions regarding what solutions may be available to help address the urgent problems that reckless driving is causing along Lead and Coal. It is a nightmare for neighbors that live on intersecting streets, especially those with children and pets.
>>
>> We have had discussions regarding increased enforcement, speed changes, and other traffic calming measures. Lead and Coal are challenging because the city utilizes them as a larger connector streets for traffic to and from downtown. This limits both what restrictions can be expected to be acceptable to the city, as well as the practical limitations caused by the decreased traffic capacities of both Central and Silver. As Greg stated, the city is very limited in terms of additional traffic enforcement due to violent and other major crimes that require police response.
>>
>> This system will be a force multiplier to enforce traffic laws. It will reward drivers for maintaining the speed limit and punish drivers who speed with frequent stops. Not only will it encourage safe speeds, but it will also discourage reckless drivers from using Lead and Coal altogether. It is a creative response to a problem that has been very difficult for our neighborhood to address for some time now. Also, we have a significant financial and political commitment from Councillor Davis to assist us in addressing this problem. This is a rare opportunity for a new solution to one of the major challenges facing our neighborhood, and we should take advantage of it.
>>
>> I am in support of seeking funding the proposal. Good to hear from all of you, and to hear your important input on this issue!
>>
>> Mark Nelson
>> Secretary
>> Nob Hill Neighborhood Association
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 7:05 PM SCOTT ELDREDGE <scott2467@msn.com <mailto:scott2467@msn.com>> wrote:
>> Agree
>> More police presence solves multiple issues.
>> Put that $ towards more officers/patrols.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:24:35 +0000
From: "Spencer Nelson" <spencer@swcp.com>
To: "Gail Chasey" <gail@gailchasey.com>, "Melodie Eyster"
        <meyster1@me.com>
Cc: "Joseph Aguirre" <jaguirre_87106@yahoo.com>, "Sedillo Lopez,
        Antoinette" <a.sedillolopez@nmlegis.gov>, TheBoard
        <theboard@nobhill-nm.com>, "Neighbors Nob Hill"
        <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>, "John Pate" <JPate@molzencorbin.com>
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Nob Hill seeks your support on Lead and Coal
        Aves.
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If we're going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on this
problem, it seems like a direct low tech approach would be best. Fund a
full time police officer for a year to give tickets as necessary along
the area. Then put in a few speed bumps. It is possible to have speed
bumps with a contour that does not impede traffic at the maximum speed
or cause much noise. For example, on Zickert NW in front of Duranes
Elementary school there are speed bumps that allow you drive at 25 mph
just fine; but anything over that is quite disturbing to the driving.
The ones along side Monte Vista school don't seem designed as well.

  Spencer Nelson

------ Original Message ------
From: "Gail Chasey via Neighbors_nobhill-nm"
<neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com>

Sent: 2/9/2021 11:37:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Nob Hill seeks your support on Lead and Coal
Aves.

This will be my highest priority, so will coordinate with my Senators.

Gail Chasey

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 10:28 AM Melodie Eyster <meyster1@me.com> wrote:
>Good morning, Antoinette and Gail.
>
>
>
>Nob Hill and surrounding neighborhoods need your support for the Lead &
>Coal Safety Upgrades Capital Outlay Request, LCS Project ID 1275.
>
>
>
>Capital Outlay Request Amount: $250k
>
>Total Project Cost: $350k
>
>Funding Secured: $100k
>
>State ICIP Project ID: 30957
>
>LCS Project ID: 1275
>
>
>
>Along with our sister associations, University Heights and Southeast
>Heights, Nob Hill Neighborhood Association has long sought an answer to
>the speeding, reckless driving, and high speed accidents on Lead & Coal
>Aves. We?ve tried virtually everything but the situation is still
>horrible.
>
>City Councilor Pat Davis has come up with an innovative idea to install
>speed sensitive traffic signals known as rest in red signals that only
>turn green when the approaching vehicle is traveling at or below the
>speed limit. The project is in the study and design phase.
>
>The capital outlay request of $250,000 would be combined with City
>funds of $100,000 to implement this project, save lives, and enhance
>quality of life for hundreds of families on the corridor.
>
>
>
>We urge your support and we urge any neighbor who feels the same to
>reach out as well.
>
>
>
>Kind regards,
>
>
>
>Gary Eyster
>
>President, Nob Hill Neighborhood Association
>
>
>
>
>


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Gail Chasey
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State Representative
D-Bernalillo, District 18
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:55:37 -0700
From: ltadvisor@yahoo.com
To: David Garcia <david@halflifedigital.com>
Cc: Ciaran Lithgow <ciaranlithgow@gmail.com>, Tom Simic
        <tomsimic@hotmail.com>, neighbors@nobhill-nm.com, TheBoard NobHill-NM
        <theboard@nobhill-nm.com>
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart
        Lights initiative!
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Good Evening Neighbors !
I am thrilled to see all the dialogue and community input surrounding this thorny subject ! And am open to all suggestions.  As other board members have stated before, there has been extensive work for years by our neighbors and the associations that border Lead and Coal.  They have entertained many ideas and solutions and unfortunately, unless someone is planning on taking shifts with spinning signs: wear bright orange reflective vests and pray law enforcement catches these people, while they are out fighting violent crimes, this might be the cost effective solution.
The timed lights to reward  decreased speed was the first solution and it has helped, however,
This additional  technology is another added practical solution that our leaders are willing to assist  us with and have explored this option with traffic engineers.
It may not be perfect ! Let?s face it nothing is ever perfect but we need to start somewhere  and David has proposed having an open forum that gives us more detailed information on the functionality of the system . This forum will allow us to gain a deeper understanding of the technology and its pros and cons.
Meanwhile, as a member of public safety for  the NH Neighborhood Association and a previous legislative analyst, asking for extra funding is pertinent in the timing for NM Capital Outlay bills during this session. It may be the case that after careful review and scrutiny other better solutions may arise but for now, we must do all we can to at least attempt to make Lead and Coal safer.
Thank you again for the spirited and well thought out input.
Stay safe Always,
Lucille Torres-Long





Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2021, at 11:53 AM, David Garcia <david@halflifedigital.com> wrote:
>
> ?This input is all very valuable. I?d like to propose that we plan a community forum on this topic for sometime in March. I?d like to solicit ideas from the neighborhood on constructive solutions and perhaps invite elected officials.
>
> Please watch this space for more info.
>
> For those in favor of the opportunity before us, please email the reps in the initial email.
>
> Best,
>
> David Garcia
> Vice President, NHNA
>
>
>
>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Ciaran Lithgow <ciaranlithgow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Like others in this thread, I am skeptical of this type of solution. I think a simpler, less costly, and less confusing solution would be to replace lights with stop signs. As someone who lives on a residential street between Lead and Coal, one block from the Carlisle/Lead/Coal intersections, I am doubtful that more lights will solve this problem.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ciaran Lithgow
>> ciaranlithgow@gmail.com
>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:15 PM Tom Simic via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>>> So does this mean that the light at Carlise& Coal and other main intersections will be red in both directions  and what happens  when both cars approach  the intersection at the same time,,,,doesn't turn green at the same time in both directions,,,,,so, if a car is speeding,,,,,it has to stop first and then the light changes,,,,,,I know that something needs to be done to  stop the speeders, accidents and noise  pollution,,,,but maybe we need more data on this system
>>>
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>>> From: David Garcia <david@halflifedigital.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 9:11:57 PM
>>> To: Tom Simic <tomsimic@hotmail.com>
>>> Cc: neighbors@nobhill-nm.com <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>; TheBoard NobHill-NM <theboard@nobhill-nm.com>; Mark Nelson <r.mark.nelson@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart Lights initiative!
>>> 
>>> I should point out that I misstated something in the initial email. The rest-in-red lights actually remain red unless approached by a vehicle going the appropriate speed limit. So the issue of people trying to speed to run the light is moot. It will be red unless they go the right speed.
>>>
>>> Any increase in enforcement (we continue to circle back to this ask) is by definition a temporary solution as long as traffic enforcement is a low priority with APD. We are looking for more permanent solutions on Lead and Coal that don?t require an officer assigned there 24/7.
>>>
>>> It should also be said that we agreed to support this initiative by the councilor with the understanding that it would be just a first step among many in solving the Lead/Coal puzzle. We are also looking at other initiatives.
>>>
>>> As a neighbor raising a toddler between Lead and Coal I respectfully ask again for neighbors to please write or call in support of this important project. I feel that it will be a net positive towards the goal of my family?s safety.
>>>
>>> Thanks much,
>>>
>>> David Garcia
>>> Vice President, NHNA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Tom Simic <tomsimic@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> I sent Gary an email  yesterday expressing the same
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> From: Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces@mailman.swcp.com> on behalf of Mark Nelson via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 7:38:28 PM
>>>> To: neighbors@nobhill-nm.com <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>; TheBoard NobHill-NM <theboard@nobhill-nm.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart Lights initiative!
>>>> 
>>>> Hi neighbors,
>>>>
>>>> NHNA has had extensive discussions regarding what solutions may be available to help address the urgent problems that reckless driving is causing along Lead and Coal. It is a nightmare for neighbors that live on intersecting streets, especially those with children and pets.
>>>>
>>>> We have had discussions regarding increased enforcement, speed changes, and other traffic calming measures. Lead and Coal are challenging because the city utilizes them as a larger connector streets for traffic to and from downtown. This limits both what restrictions can be expected to be acceptable to the city, as well as the practical limitations caused by the decreased traffic capacities of both Central and Silver. As Greg stated, the city is very limited in terms of additional traffic enforcement due to violent and other major crimes that require police response.
>>>>
>>>> This system will be a force multiplier to enforce traffic laws. It will reward drivers for maintaining the speed limit and punish drivers who speed with frequent stops. Not only will it encourage safe speeds, but it will also discourage reckless drivers from using Lead and Coal altogether. It is a creative response to a problem that has been very difficult for our neighborhood to address for some time now. Also, we have a significant financial and political commitment from Councillor Davis to assist us in addressing this problem. This is a rare opportunity for a new solution to one of the major challenges facing our neighborhood, and we should take advantage of it.
>>>>
>>>> I am in support of seeking funding the proposal. Good to hear from all of you, and to hear your important input on this issue!
>>>>
>>>> Mark Nelson
>>>> Secretary
>>>> Nob Hill Neighborhood Association
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 7:05 PM SCOTT ELDREDGE <scott2467@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> Agree
>>>> More police presence solves multiple issues.
>>>> Put that $ towards more officers/patrols.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 5:32 PM, JILL FRAWLEY via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?I agree with Van Eldredge completely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 12:38 PM, vaneldredge via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
>>>>> <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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>> ciaranlithgow@gmail.com
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 23:35:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: <imides-46686@mypacks.net>
To: neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Express your support for the Lead/Coal Smart
        Lights initiative!
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I realize this is social media (opinions count more than facts), but advocating traffic control devices that turn red when approaching vehicles exceed the speed limit presupposes that the posted speed limit is reasonable. The limit on Lead & Coal is not based on a traffic engineering study nor on the engineering-based 85th percentile speed principle. Allowing neighborhood associations to interfere with traffic engineering best practices will predictably lead to those same speed violators becoming red light violators, thereby putting lives at risk of motorists and pedestrians who cross with the resulting green lights. Clearly a case of the cure being worse than the disease. Law suits to follow...

Mel


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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:37:36 +0000
From: LISA JOHNSON <LISAJOHNSONLMFT@msn.com>
To: Nob Hill <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>
Subject: [Neighbors] Appliance repair recommendations
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I'm seeking an appliance repair person for my Jenn Air oven that isn't preheating.

Any suggestions?

Lisa Johnson
3335 Monte Vista Blvd NE

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:01:09 +0000
From: Philip Dale <dalep@unm.edu>
To: LISA JOHNSON <LISAJOHNSONLMFT@msn.com>, Nob Hill
        <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Appliance repair recommendations
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Dalton Service Center is great, if they do Jenn Air.
They are extremely competent and reasonably priced.
Philip Dale

From: Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces@mailman.swcp.com> On Behalf Of LISA JOHNSON via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 8:38 AM
To: Nob Hill <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>
Subject: [Neighbors] Appliance repair recommendations

  [EXTERNAL]
I'm seeking an appliance repair person for my Jenn Air oven that isn't preheating.

Any suggestions?

Lisa Johnson
3335 Monte Vista Blvd NE

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:41:52 -0700
From: mike <mike@mikegallegoslaw.com>
To: LISA JOHNSON <LISAJOHNSONLMFT@msn.com>, Nob Hill
        <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com>
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Appliance repair recommendations
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I only trust Carlos perez...?+15052057606Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
-------- Original message --------From: LISA JOHNSON via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> Date: 2/11/21  8:57 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: Nob Hill <neighbors@nobhill-nm.com> Subject: [Neighbors] Appliance repair recommendations

I'm seeking an appliance repair person for my Jenn Air oven that isn't preheating.?




Any suggestions???




Lisa Johnson?

3335 Monte Vista Blvd NE?



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