[LWVNM Action] Convention item
George Richmond
geomrich1 at comcast.net
Fri Apr 9 13:47:31 MDT 2021
I must have missed that election in Georgia. Can you ask Jeanne to
share more details about how RCV in Georgia would have resulted in a
different result.
George Richmond
On 4/9/2021 10:32 AM, Karen Douglas via Action wrote:
> LWVNM - Jeanne Logsdon pointed to Rank Choice Voting during the March
> 2021 CNM Board meeting and indicated that the Georgia Senate race
> outcome would have been different if Rank Choice Voting was
> implemented. Although this saves resources, perhaps a more careful
> review should be considered.
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 7:33 AM Barbara Calef via Action
> <action at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:action at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
>
> I am pasting the relevant portion of the minutes from our March
> board meeting. I am glad that Meredith brought this up because I
> was wondering what happened to the meeting Karen W. told us
> about. I was hoping it would be open to all League members, but
> have not seen it mentioned since March 6.
> Barbara
>
> *PROPOSED CONCURRENCE WITH LWVVT POSITION ON RANKED-CHOICE VOTING*
>
> Delegates to the 2019 LWVNM Convention were asked to adopt the
> board-recommended statement in the Election Procedures position
> which read, "Ranked-choice voting [RCV] in all elections" to
> replace the wording, "Amending the State Constitution to allow
> run-off elections in the case of non-partisan elections." The
> delegates rejected this proposal because of a lack of
> understanding on the issue and the concerns about whether RCV had
> been successfully implemented in other jurisdictions. The Santa
> Fe League has asked that the RCV statement be reconsidered at the
> 2021 Convention. Chris moved that LWVNM adopt the RCV statement
> in place of the current run-off statement and to include it as a
> recommended item at the convention in April. Meredith seconded
> this motion. Chris noted that Common Cause will provide
> educational materials to League members and that organization has
> offered to meet with the individual Leagues about the issue.
>
> Akkana instead suggested using language such as, "an alternative
> voting system like ranked choice voting" because there are
> multiple alternative voting systems. Barbara offered Akkana's
> proposed language as a friendly amendment, which Chris accepted.
> Dick is concerned about this language change because it suggests
> we approve every alternative way of voting. Eileen was concerned
> about amending language from a concurrence with another League and
> Kathy was concerned that adopting a position from another League
> does not allow buy-in from the membership until after the fact.
> Based on these concerns, Chris withdrew her motion.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 8:37 AM Meredith Machen via Action
> <action at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:action at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
>
> My apologies. In my broken arm and shoulder pain haze, I did
> not read it carefully. I was remembering the Board discussion
> on RCV and was thinking it was included in the position
> revision. Thanks for correcting the record, Chris.
>
> Meredith Machen ,
> mermachen at cybermesa.com <mailto:mermachen at cybermesa.com>
> 505 577 6337
>
>> On Apr 9, 2021, at 10:09 AM, Chris Furlanetto
>> <crfrwf at yahoo.com <mailto:crfrwf at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Meredith,
>>
>> I need to correct your message below.
>>
>> The Program agenda for the LWVNM Convention does not include
>> any Election Procedures position changes regarding ranked
>> choice voting (RCV) or any other methods of counting votes.
>>
>> There is an Election Procedures item on the Convention
>> agenda. This concerns the addition of two Board-approved
>> sub-bullets related to primary election eligibility/party
>> affiliation.
>>
>> Please refer to the Spring La Palabra for a description of
>> all the Program items to be voted on. All are recommended by
>> the LWVNM Board.
>> The question of amending the NM Election Procedures position
>> to endorse RCV or to make any other changes to our position
>> about how votes are counted is not on the agenda for
>> Convention as either a recommended or non-recommended item
>> for a vote. Stating that the the state Board approved and
>> supports such an update to our Election Procedures position
>> is incorrect.
>>
>> Let me know of any questions of course. I'll be happy to
>> provide additional information.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Thursday, April 8, 2021, 01:41:52 PM MDT, Meredith Machen
>> via Action <action at mailman.swcp.com
>> <mailto:action at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> For background on why the state board approved and supports
>> updating our Election Procedures position as presented in the
>> Spring La Palabra Program Report, see below. Plurality voting
>> is a democratic system that requires a majority in order to
>> win while “winner takes all” fails to do that. Thanks for
>> studying the issue. Santa Fe and Las Cruces joined many
>> enlightened governments by instituting ranked choice voting.
>> The Maine uses it for all elections even primaries. Lots of
>> Leagues have done extensive studies and have lobbied for
>> voters to support the change.
>>
>> Meredith Machen
>> mermachen at cybermesa.com <mailto:mermachen at cybermesa.com>
>> 505 577 6337
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> *From:* Paula Lee <paula.lee at comcast.net
>>> <mailto:paula.lee at comcast.net>>
>>> *Date:* April 8, 2021 at 11:27:34 AM EDT
>>> *To:* Kayla Vix <KVix at lwv.org <mailto:KVix at lwv.org>>
>>> *Cc:* LWV New York - Dare Thompson <darethompson at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:darethompson at gmail.com>>, LWV Colorado - ED Beth
>>> Hendrix <bhendrix at lwvcolorado.org
>>> <mailto:bhendrix at lwvcolorado.org>>, Carol Moon Goldberg
>>> <cmoongoldberg at lwvc.org <mailto:cmoongoldberg at lwvc.org>>,
>>> League of Women Voters State Presidents
>>> <lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com
>>> <mailto:lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com>>
>>> *Subject:* *Re: Mt Holyoke professor Douglas J Amy*
>>>
>>>
>>> Professor Douglas Amy’s book “Behind the Ballot Box: A
>>> Citizens Guide to Election Systems had a great list of criteria
>>> California Local Leagues used to evaluate different
>>> electoral systems in California’s state study of election
>>> systems.
>>>
>>> I am not familiar with ALL his work but Professor Amy has
>>> been writing about the problems with U.S. plurality
>>> elections for many years.
>>> As an alternative to plurality winner take all elections,
>>> he argues for proportional representation.
>>>
>>> After 20 years of LWV state and local electoral reform
>>> studies, our LWVUS *Voter Representation and Election Systems*
>>> position supports alternatives to plurality voting and
>>> supports proportional representation.
>>>
>>> Perhaps it is what motivated Prof. Amy to contact some local
>>> leagues rather than “self promotion”?
>>>
>>> The specific position language can be found in LWVUS
>>> publication "Impact on Issues" page 47 and 48
>>> https://www.lwv.org/sites/default/files/2020-12/LWV-impact-2020.pdf
>>> <https://www.lwv.org/sites/default/files/2020-12/LWV-impact-2020.pdf>
>>>
>>>
>>> "we support electoral systems that “implement alternatives
>>> to plurality voting”
>>> and
>>> "The League supports electoral systems that elect
>>> policy-making bodies–-legislatures, councils, commissions,
>>> and boards—that proportionally reflect the people they
>>> represent.”
>>>
>>> Paula Lee
>>> LWV Sacramento, CA
>>> 916-704-0195 Cell & Text
>>>
>>> P.S. I found this when I looked up his book *Real
>>> Choices/New Voices*:
>>>
>>> There is a growing realization that many of the problems
>>> afflicting American elections can be traced to the electoral
>>> system itself, in particular to our winner-take-all approach
>>> to electing officials. Douglas Amy demonstrates that
>>> switching to proportional representation elections―the
>>> voting system used in most other Western democracies, by
>>> which officials are elected in large, multimember districts
>>> according to the proportion of the vote won by their
>>> parties―would enliven democratic political debate, increase
>>> voter choice and voter turnout, ensure fair representation
>>> for third parties and minorities, eliminate wasted votes and
>>> "spoilers," and ultimately produce policies that better
>>> reflect the public will. Looking beyond new voting machines
>>> and other quick fixes for our electoral predicament, this
>>> new edition of Real Choices/New Voices offers a timely and
>>> imaginative way out of the frustrations of our current
>>> system of choosing leaders.
>>>
>>>> On Apr 6, 2021, at 7:40 AM, Kayla Vix <KVix at lwv.org
>>>> <mailto:KVix at lwv.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would caution against promoting resources that LWV
>>>> doesn’t endorse or control. There may be some good content
>>>> here, but this feels mostly like self-promotion—especially
>>>> if this person is getting in touch with many Leagues in
>>>> this way.
>>>> *Kayla Vix*(she/her)
>>>> <https://www.lwv.org/league-management/dei-resources/pronoun-and-gender-guidance>
>>>> Communications Manager
>>>> League of Women Voters of the United States
>>>>
>>>> 1233 20th St NW, Suite 500, Washington, DC 20036
>>>> 202-809-9668 |kvix at lwv.org <mailto:kvix at lwv.org>
>>>> lwv.org <https://www.lwv.org/>|Facebook
>>>> <http://facebook.com/leagueofwomenvoters>|Twitter
>>>> <http://twitter.com/lwv>
>>>>
>>>> <image001.jpg>
>>>> *From:*lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com><lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com>>*On Behalf
>>>> Of*Dare Thompson
>>>> *Sent:*Monday, April 5, 2021 5:31 PM
>>>> *To:*LWV Colorado - ED Beth Hendrix
>>>> <bhendrix at lwvcolorado.org <mailto:bhendrix at lwvcolorado.org>>
>>>> *Cc:*Carol Moon Goldberg <cmoongoldberg at lwvc.org
>>>> <mailto:cmoongoldberg at lwvc.org>>; League of Women Voters
>>>> State Presidents <lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com>>
>>>> *Subject:*Re: Mt Holyoke professor Douglas J Amy
>>>> My local League got the same message and I was impressed by
>>>> what I saw of his writings and background but we don't
>>>> endorse even the finest of finest scholars so we couldn't
>>>> think what to do about his request except maybe to ask him
>>>> to speak to us. I'm also on the NY state board and haven't
>>>> heard how we responded if we did.
>>>>
>>>> Dare Thompson
>>>> 36 Reservoir Road, Marlboro, NY 12542
>>>> 845-236-3074 (preferred) 845-591-3445 (cell)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 3:10 PM Beth Hendrix
>>>> <bhendrix at lwvcolorado.org
>>>> <mailto:bhendrix at lwvcolorado.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One of our state Leagues forwarded a message from Dr.
>>>> Amy, which prompted a bit of background research – he
>>>> seems legit and a valid resource, we decided – that
>>>> said, we haven’t contacted him at this point.
>>>> Best --
>>>> Beth
>>>> Beth Hendrix
>>>> (she/her)
>>>> Executive Director
>>>> <image002.jpg>
>>>> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lwvcolorado.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Ckvix%40lwv.org%7C0cc7488acddc45a561fe08d8f87a190c%7C90befbfe6dce4edfba8a35fb67131124%7C1%7C0%7C637532550604188254%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=yNg9cWzQleMBVyZRUugc21U0CUcrpRm21eNhdqUfjpE%3D&reserved=0>
>>>> Empowering voters. Defending democracy.
>>>> Empoderar a los votantes. La defensa de la democracia.
>>>> 303-863-0437 office
>>>> 303-588-5470 cell
>>>> *From:*lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com><lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com>>*On
>>>> Behalf Of*Carol Moon Goldberg
>>>> *Sent:*Monday, April 5, 2021 12:50 PM
>>>> *To:*'League of Women Voters State Presidents'
>>>> <lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com>>
>>>> *Subject:*Mt Holyoke professor Douglas J Amy
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>> A couple of our local Leagues have been contacted by a
>>>> retired Mt. Holyoke professor named Douglas J. Amy
>>>> suggesting that his website be posted on their
>>>> websites. I believe this is the site
>>>> https://governmentisgood.com/about.php
>>>> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgovernmentisgood.com%2Fabout.php&data=04%7C01%7Ckvix%40lwv.org%7C0cc7488acddc45a561fe08d8f87a190c%7C90befbfe6dce4edfba8a35fb67131124%7C1%7C0%7C637532550604198201%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=GMwNq%2F82BW5CcnZfL6ILriVQpsDfDsoNpZrEwLpglqw%3D&reserved=0>
>>>> Government is Good - About this website
>>>> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgovernmentisgood.com%2Fabout.php&data=04%7C01%7Ckvix%40lwv.org%7C0cc7488acddc45a561fe08d8f87a190c%7C90befbfe6dce4edfba8a35fb67131124%7C1%7C0%7C637532550604198201%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=GMwNq%2F82BW5CcnZfL6ILriVQpsDfDsoNpZrEwLpglqw%3D&reserved=0>
>>>> About this website.governmentisgood.com
>>>> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgovernmentisgood.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Ckvix%40lwv.org%7C0cc7488acddc45a561fe08d8f87a190c%7C90befbfe6dce4edfba8a35fb67131124%7C1%7C0%7C637532550604208160%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=BrM3B4tu7ZNtpmoPSFfuI8qz4kMaOrPuFEme60rKFRI%3D&reserved=0>–
>>>> a web project of Douglas J. Amy. I am a Professor of
>>>> Politics at Mount Holyoke College, where I have taught
>>>> American politics for over 20 years. My main area of
>>>> expertise has been electoral system reform, and I have
>>>> written a number of books including Real Choices, New
>>>> Voices: How Proportional Representation Elections Could
>>>> Revitalize American ...
>>>> governmentisgood.com
>>>> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgovernmentisgood.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Ckvix%40lwv.org%7C0cc7488acddc45a561fe08d8f87a190c%7C90befbfe6dce4edfba8a35fb67131124%7C1%7C0%7C637532550604208160%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=BrM3B4tu7ZNtpmoPSFfuI8qz4kMaOrPuFEme60rKFRI%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>
>>>> He's created a library on proportional representation
>>>> for FairVote.
>>>> Have you or any of the Leagues in your states had
>>>> contact with this? What are your opinions of it, if
>>>> you have any.
>>>> Thanks so much,
>>>> Carol Moon Goldberg(she, her)
>>>>
>>>> President
>>>>
>>>> League of Women Voters of California
>>>>
>>>> Phone (916) 715-2604
>>>>
>>>> cmoongoldberg at lwvc.org <mailto:cmoongoldberg at lwvc.org>
>>>>
>>>> www.lwvc.org
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