[Awclist] Rio Chama

Sat Feb 25 09:43:16 MST 2012

If u don't draw a permit you can't launch on a Friday,  so I would say  
better to gear higher flows around non holiday weekends.  

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From: Steve Harris <steve.harris39 at gmail.com>
To: Sara Traub <sara_traub at yahoo.com>
Cc: 'Wes Moore' <Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com>, 'Tim Scofield'  
<timscofi5 at gmail.com>, Robert Southwick <rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com>,  
'Frank Walsh' <h2opro801 at q.com>,  awclist at swcp.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 15:47:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama

SARA and all:  Thanks for responding.  A couple of questions: Would it make  
sense that these 3 weekend would aim toward 3 day holidays (Memorial Day,  
4th of July, Labor Day) or avoid them?  What about the idea of encouraging  
more weekday trips?  Is that impractical for most ABQ boaters?

Steve Harris
Rio Grande Restoration
HCR 69 Box 3-C
Embudo, NM 87531

home/office: 575-751-1269
fax: same
Mobile: 575-770-2502

steve.harris39 at gmail.com

On Feb 24, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Sara Traub wrote:

> I also vote for 3 weekends at 800.
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> Sara Traub
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> --- On Thu, 2/23/12, Robert Southwick > <rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com>  
wrote:
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> From: Robert Southwick <rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com>
> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
> To: "'Wes Moore'" <Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com>, "'Tim Scofield'"  
<timscofi5 at gmail.com> >
> Cc: "'Frank Walsh'" <h2opro801 at q.com>, awclist at swcp.com
> Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 1:11 PM
>
> I second that - Celia Southwick
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> From: awclist-bounces at swcp.com [mailto:awclist-bounces at swcp.com] On >  
Behalf Of Wes Moore
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:40 AM
> To: Tim Scofield
> Cc: Frank Walsh; awclist at swcp.com
> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
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> 3 weekends at 800.
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> Sent from my iPad
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> Wes Moore
> VP/Partner/Sr. Loan Officer
> Superior Mortgage Services, LLC
> NMLS #205189
> (505) 249-4506 cell
> www.moore4yourmoney.com
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> On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:16 PM, "Tim Scofield" <timscofi5 at gmail.com> >  
wrote:
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>> I never received a response to the email below about flows.
>>
>> Given that the Bureau will try to have a flushing flow (hopefully >> 5k  
in a good water year) in the spring, and a limited amount of >> water, what  
release flows would you like to see later in the season >> when there is  
minimal water in the Rio Grande? Would you rather >> boat one weekend at  
2400cfs or three weekends at 800cfs or 4 >> weekends at 600cfs? (Or some  
other flow level)
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Tim Scofield >> <timscofi5 at gmail.com>  
wrote:
>> The rafters that said that the trip went too fast above 1000 cfs >> were  
private boaters from Colorado.
>>
>> I personally just spend more time exploring when the water's high.
>>
>> The way I see it, It's really a question of at what point would you >>  
not bother going kayaking/rafting/canoeing assuming that the RIo >> has  
already peaked and is down to a couple hundred. At what point >> would you  
not bother to even go up to the Chama.
>>
>> There will be a weekend or two that get a peaking flow in the >> spring  
to try to maintain a healthy ecosystem, but this section of >> the Chama is  
below El Vado, and they're going to try to store as >> much water as they  
can as high up as they can. So we're not going >> to see really big flows  
like we've ocassionaly seen on the Rio >> Grande. They doe have some storage  
in Abiqu lake, but it is >> somewhat limited for various reasons.
>>
>> The question is would you rather boat one weekend at 2400cfs or >> three  
weekends at 800cfs or 4 weekends at 600cfs. Assuming that >> there's enough  
water for any releases at all.
>>
>> It's also problem if they don't keep at least 150 cfs in the river >> at  
all times, which they sometimes don't, because the whole >> ecosystem up  
there starts to suffer.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:32 PM, monica a. martin >> <orangely at yahoo.com>  
wrote:
>> I think it's time to point out the commercial boater perspective: >> many  
have had to boat this river with customers and their gear in >> 14-15 foot  
rafts in the 200's.  This certainly isn't ideal.  Many >> comfortably boat  
it at 500cfs.  If you get to do it at 1000cfs, >> you've got it posh.   
Anything above 600cfs works pretty nicely and >> many of us find it  
enjoyable in work or play at this level.  Isn't >> maneuvering around rocks  
part of what makes it interesting?
>>
>> Monica & Josh
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