[Awclist] Rio Chama

Wes Moore Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com
Sat Feb 25 09:54:24 MST 2012 

No permit required unless u launch friday Saturday or Sunday.  Good for us  
self employed Albuquerque people 
 Never a permit needed for 8 mile day run


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From: Robert Southwick <rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com>
To: 'Wes Moore' <Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com>, 'Steve Harris'  
<steve.harris39 at gmail.com>, 'Sara Traub' <sara_traub at yahoo.com>
Cc: 'Tim Scofield' <timscofi5 at gmail.com>, 'Frank Walsh' <h2opro801 at q.com>,  
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Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 16:51:35 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: [Awclist] Rio Chama

Why so?  I was under the impression that you always had to have a permit
whether or not you got one in the initial draw.
You can call in for canceled or unused permits so how does Friday figure
into that picture?
celia

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From: Wes Moore [mailto:Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 9:43 AM
To: Steve Harris; Sara Traub
Cc: 'Tim Scofield'; Robert Southwick; 'Frank Walsh'; awclist at swcp.com
Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama


If u don't draw a permit you can't launch on a Friday,  so I would say
better to gear higher flows around non holiday weekends.  

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From: Steve Harris <steve.harris39 at gmail.com>
To: Sara Traub <sara_traub at yahoo.com>
Cc: &apos;Wes Moore&apos; <Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com>, &apos;Tim
Scofield&apos; <timscofi5 at gmail.com>, Robert Southwick
<rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com>, &apos;Frank Walsh&apos; <h2opro801 at q.com>,
awclist at swcp.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 15:47:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama


SARA and all: Thanks for responding. A couple of questions: Would it make
sense that these 3 weekend would aim toward 3 day holidays (Memorial Day,
4th of July, Labor Day) or avoid them? What about the idea of encouraging
more weekday trips? Is that impractical for most ABQ boaters?

Steve Harris
Rio Grande Restoration
HCR 69 Box 3-C
Embudo, NM 87531

home/office: 575-751-1269
fax: same
Mobile: 575-770-2502

steve.harris39 at gmail.com



On Feb 24, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Sara Traub wrote:

> I also vote for 3 weekends at 800.
>
> Sara Traub
>
> --- On Thu, 2/23/12, Robert Southwick > wrote:
>
> From: Robert Southwick 
> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
> To: "'Wes Moore'" , "'Tim Scofield'" >
> Cc: "'Frank Walsh'" , awclist at swcp.com
> Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 1:11 PM
>
> I second that - Celia Southwick
>
> From: awclist-bounces at swcp.com [mailto:awclist-bounces at swcp.com] On >
Behalf Of Wes Moore
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:40 AM
> To: Tim Scofield
> Cc: Frank Walsh; awclist at swcp.com
> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
>
> 3 weekends at 800.
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> Sent from my iPad
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> Wes Moore
> VP/Partner/Sr. Loan Officer
> Superior Mortgage Services, LLC
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> (505) 249-4506 cell
> www.moore4yourmoney.com
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> On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:16 PM, "Tim Scofield" > wrote:
>
>> I never received a response to the email below about flows.
>>
>> Given that the Bureau will try to have a flushing flow (hopefully >> 5k
in a good water year) in the spring, and a limited amount of >> water, what
release flows would you like to see later in the season >> when there is
minimal water in the Rio Grande? Would you rather >> boat one weekend at
2400cfs or three weekends at 800cfs or 4 >> weekends at 600cfs? (Or some
other flow level)
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Tim Scofield >> wrote:
>> The rafters that said that the trip went too fast above 1000 cfs >> were
private boaters from Colorado.
>>
>> I personally just spend more time exploring when the water's high.
>>
>> The way I see it, It's really a question of at what point would you >>
not bother going kayaking/rafting/canoeing assuming that the RIo >> has
already peaked and is down to a couple hundred. At what point >> would you
not bother to even go up to the Chama.
>>
>> There will be a weekend or two that get a peaking flow in the >> spring
to try to maintain a healthy ecosystem, but this section of >> the Chama is
below El Vado, and they're going to try to store as >> much water as they
can as high up as they can. So we're not going >> to see really big flows
like we've ocassionaly seen on the Rio >> Grande. They doe have some storage
in Abiqu lake, but it is >> somewhat limited for various reasons.
>>
>> The question is would you rather boat one weekend at 2400cfs or >> three
weekends at 800cfs or 4 weekends at 600cfs. Assuming that >> there's enough
water for any releases at all.
>>
>> It's also problem if they don't keep at least 150 cfs in the river >> at
all times, which they sometimes don't, because the whole >> ecosystem up
there starts to suffer.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:32 PM, monica a. martin >> wrote:
>> I think it's time to point out the commercial boater perspective: >> many
have had to boat this river with customers and their gear in >> 14-15 foot
rafts in the 200's. This certainly isn't ideal. Many >> comfortably boat it
at 500cfs. If you get to do it at 1000cfs, >> you've got it posh. Anything
above 600cfs works pretty nicely and >> many of us find it enjoyable in work
or play at this level. Isn't >> maneuvering around rocks part of what makes
it interesting?
>>
>> Monica & Josh
>>
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