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g/Sept when the Rio gets low. I have no particular attachment to having flo=
ws correspond with holiday weekends, in fact I would rather they didn't.=A0
=A0
I can't do weekday trips, so of course I prefer weekend flows, but it would=
be nice if the water could be maintained at a boatable level during the we=
ek for some portion of the season for those lucky enough to be able to go.=
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Thanks,
Sara Traub
--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Steve Harris <steve.harris39 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Steve Harris <steve.harris39 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
To: "Sara Traub" <sara_traub at yahoo.com>
Cc: "'Wes Moore'" <Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com>, "'Tim Scofield'" <timscofi=
5 at gmail.com>, "Robert Southwick" <rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com>, "'Frank W=
alsh'" <h2opro801 at q.com>, awclist at swcp.com
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 8:47 AM
SARA and all:=A0 Thanks for responding.=A0 A couple of questions: Would it =
make sense that these 3 weekend would aim toward 3 day holidays (Memorial D=
ay, 4th of July, Labor Day) or avoid them?=A0 What about the idea of encour=
aging more weekday trips?=A0 Is that impractical for most ABQ boaters?
Steve Harris
Rio Grande Restoration
HCR 69 Box 3-C
Embudo, NM 87531
home/office: 575-751-1269
fax: same
Mobile: 575-770-2502
steve.harris39 at gmail.com
On Feb 24, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Sara Traub wrote:
> I also vote for 3 weekends at 800.
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> Sara Traub
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> --- On Thu, 2/23/12, Robert Southwick <rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com> wro=
te:
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> From: Robert Southwick <rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com>
> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
> To: "'Wes Moore'" <Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com>, "'Tim Scofield'" <timsco=
fi5 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "'Frank Walsh'" <h2opro801 at q.com>, awclist at swcp.com
> Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 1:11 PM
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> I second that - Celia Southwick
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> From: awclist-bounces at swcp.com [mailto:awclist-bounces at swcp.com] On Behal=
f Of Wes Moore
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:40 AM
> To: Tim Scofield
> Cc: Frank Walsh; awclist at swcp.com
> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
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> 3 weekends at 800.
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> Sent from my iPad
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> Wes Moore
> VP/Partner/Sr. Loan Officer
> Superior Mortgage Services, LLC
> NMLS #205189
> (505) 249-4506 cell
> www.moore4yourmoney.com
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> On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:16 PM, "Tim Scofield" <timscofi5 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I never received a response to the email below about flows.
>>=20
>> Given that the Bureau will try to have a flushing flow (hopefully 5k in =
a good water year) in the spring, and a limited amount of water, what relea=
se flows would you like to see later in the season when there is minimal wa=
ter in the Rio Grande? Would you rather boat one weekend at 2400cfs or thre=
e weekends at 800cfs or 4 weekends at 600cfs? (Or some other flow level)
>>=20
>> Tim
>>=20
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Tim Scofield <timscofi5 at gmail.com> wro=
te:
>> The rafters that said that the trip went too fast above 1000 cfs were pr=
ivate boaters from Colorado.
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>> I personally just spend more time exploring when the water's high.
>>=20
>> The way I see it, It's really a question of at what point would you not =
bother going kayaking/rafting/canoeing assuming that the RIo has already pe=
aked and is down to a couple hundred. At what point would you not bother to=
even go up to the Chama.
>>=20
>> There will be a weekend or two that get a peaking flow in the spring to =
try to maintain a healthy ecosystem, but this section of the Chama is below=
El Vado, and they're going to try to store as much water as they can as hi=
gh up as they can. So we're not going to see really big flows like we've oc=
assionaly seen on the Rio Grande. They doe have some storage in Abiqu lake,=
but it is somewhat limited for various reasons.
>>=20
>> The question is would you rather boat one weekend at 2400cfs or three we=
ekends at 800cfs or 4 weekends at 600cfs. Assuming that there's enough wate=
r for any releases at all.
>>=20
>> It's also problem if they don't keep at least 150 cfs in the river at al=
l times, which they sometimes don't, because the whole ecosystem up there s=
tarts to suffer.
>>=20
>> Tim
>>=20
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:32 PM, monica a. martin <orangely at yahoo.com> w=
rote:
>> I think it's time to point out the commercial boater perspective: many h=
ave had to boat this river with customers and their gear in 14-15 foot raft=
s in the 200's.=A0 This certainly isn't ideal.=A0 Many comfortably boat it =
at 500cfs.=A0 If you get to do it at 1000cfs, you've got it posh.=A0 Anythi=
ng above 600cfs works pretty nicely and many of us find it enjoyable in wor=
k or play at this level.=A0 Isn't maneuvering around rocks part of what mak=
es it interesting?
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>> Monica & Josh
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Hi Steve and All,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I was responding to Tim's question:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Given that the Bureau will try to have a flushing flow (hopefully 5k =
in a good water year) in the spring, and a limited amount of water, what re=
lease flows would you like to see later in the season when there is minimal=
water in the Rio Grande? Would you rather boat one weekend at 2400cfs or t=
hree weekends at 800cfs or 4 weekends at 600cfs? (Or some other flow level)=
"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I was assuming "later in the season" meant August--to do the section b=
elow the monastery -- or September after the permit season ends. It seems t=
hat the last few years there have been higher releases in August and Septem=
ber. From a boater's standpoint it is nice to have water in the Chama in Ju=
ly/Aug/Sept when the Rio gets low. I have no particular attachment to havin=
g flows correspond with holiday weekends, in fact I would rather they didn'=
t. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I can't do weekday trips, so of course I prefer weekend flows, but it =
would be nice if the water could be maintained at a boatable level during t=
he week for some portion of the season for those lucky enough to be able to=
go. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Sara Traub</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 2/25/12, Steve Harris <I><steve.harris39 at gmail.c=
om></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Steve Harris <steve.harris39 at gmail.com&g=
t;<BR>Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama<BR>To: "Sara Traub" <sara_traub at y=
ahoo.com><BR>Cc: "'Wes Moore'" <Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com>, "'Ti=
m Scofield'" <timscofi5 at gmail.com>, "Robert Southwick" <rsouthwick=
@shamanproducts.com>, "'Frank Walsh'" <h2opro801 at q.com>, awclist at s=
wcp.com<BR>Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 8:47 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3DplainMail>SARA and all: Thanks for responding. A c=
ouple of questions: Would it make sense that these 3 weekend would aim towa=
rd 3 day holidays (Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day) or avoid them?&nbs=
p; What about the idea of encouraging more weekday trips? Is that imp=
ractical for most ABQ boaters?<BR><BR>Steve Harris<BR>Rio Grande Restoratio=
n<BR>HCR 69 Box 3-C<BR>Embudo, NM 87531<BR><BR>home/office: 575-751-1269<BR=
>fax: same<BR>Mobile: 575-770-2502<BR><BR><A href=3D"http://us.mc1608.mail.=
yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dsteve.harris39 at gmail.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:steve=
.harris39 at gmail.com">steve.harris39 at gmail.com</A><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Feb 24,=
2012, at 9:50 PM, Sara Traub wrote:<BR><BR>> I also vote for 3 weekends=
at 800.<BR>> <BR>> Sara Traub<BR>> <BR>> --- On Thu, 2/23/12, =
Robert Southwick <<A href=3D"http://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?=
to=3Drsouthwick at shamanproducts.com"
ymailto=3D"mailto:rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com">rsouthwick at shamanproducts=
.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> From: Robert Southwick <<A href=3D"=
http://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Drsouthwick@shamanproducts.c=
om" ymailto=3D"mailto:rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com">rsouthwick at shamanprodu=
cts.com</A>><BR>> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama<BR>> To: "'Wes =
Moore'" <<A href=3D"http://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DWes@=
superiormortgage-nm.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com">Wes=
@superiormortgage-nm.com</A>>, "'Tim Scofield'" <<A href=3D"http://us=
.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dtimscofi5 at gmail.com" ymailto=3D"mail=
to:timscofi5 at gmail.com">timscofi5 at gmail.com</A>><BR>> Cc: "'Frank Wal=
sh'" <<A href=3D"http://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dh2opro8=
01 at q.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:h2opro801 at q.com">h2opro801 at q.com</A>>, <A hr=
ef=3D"http://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dawclist@swcp.com"
ymailto=3D"mailto:awclist at swcp.com">awclist at swcp.com</A><BR>> Date: Thu=
rsday, February 23, 2012, 1:11 PM<BR>> <BR>> I second that - Celia So=
uthwick<BR>> <BR>> From: <A href=3D"http://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/m=
c/compose?to=3Dawclist-bounces at swcp.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:awclist-bounces@=
swcp.com">awclist-bounces at swcp.com</A> [mailto:<A href=3D"http://us.mc1608.=
mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dawclist-bounces at swcp.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:=
awclist-bounces at swcp.com">awclist-bounces at swcp.com</A>] On Behalf Of Wes Mo=
ore<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:40 AM<BR>> To: Tim Scof=
ield<BR>> Cc: Frank Walsh; <A href=3D"http://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc=
/compose?to=3Dawclist at swcp.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:awclist at swcp.com">awclist=
@swcp.com</A><BR>> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama<BR>> <BR>> 3 w=
eekends at 800.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>&g=
t; <BR>> Sent from my iPad<BR>> <BR>> Wes Moore<BR>> VP/Partner=
/Sr. Loan
Officer<BR>> Superior Mortgage Services, LLC<BR>> NMLS #205189<BR>&g=
t; (505) 249-4506 cell<BR>> www.moore4yourmoney.com<BR>> <BR>> On =
Feb 21, 2012, at 10:16 PM, "Tim Scofield" <<A href=3D"http://us.mc1608.m=
ail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dtimscofi5 at gmail.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:timsco=
fi5 at gmail.com">timscofi5 at gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> I ne=
ver received a response to the email below about flows.<BR>>> <BR>>=
;> Given that the Bureau will try to have a flushing flow (hopefully 5k =
in a good water year) in the spring, and a limited amount of water, what re=
lease flows would you like to see later in the season when there is minimal=
water in the Rio Grande? Would you rather boat one weekend at 2400cfs or t=
hree weekends at 800cfs or 4 weekends at 600cfs? (Or some other flow level)=
<BR>>> <BR>>> Tim<BR>>> <BR>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011=
at 11:12 PM, Tim Scofield <<A
href=3D"http://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dtimscofi5@gmail.co=
m" ymailto=3D"mailto:timscofi5 at gmail.com">timscofi5 at gmail.com</A>> wrote=
:<BR>>> The rafters that said that the trip went too fast above 1000 =
cfs were private boaters from Colorado.<BR>>> <BR>>> I personal=
ly just spend more time exploring when the water's high.<BR>>> <BR>&g=
t;> The way I see it, It's really a question of at what point would you =
not bother going kayaking/rafting/canoeing assuming that the RIo has alread=
y peaked and is down to a couple hundred. At what point would you not bothe=
r to even go up to the Chama.<BR>>> <BR>>> There will be a week=
end or two that get a peaking flow in the spring to try to maintain a healt=
hy ecosystem, but this section of the Chama is below El Vado, and they're g=
oing to try to store as much water as they can as high up as they can. So w=
e're not going to see really big flows like we've ocassionaly seen on the
Rio Grande. They doe have some storage in Abiqu lake, but it is somewhat l=
imited for various reasons.<BR>>> <BR>>> The question is would =
you rather boat one weekend at 2400cfs or three weekends at 800cfs or 4 wee=
kends at 600cfs. Assuming that there's enough water for any releases at all=
.<BR>>> <BR>>> It's also problem if they don't keep at least 15=
0 cfs in the river at all times, which they sometimes don't, because the wh=
ole ecosystem up there starts to suffer.<BR>>> <BR>>> Tim<BR>&g=
t;> <BR>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:32 PM, monica a. martin <<=
A href=3D"http://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dorangely@yahoo.co=
m" ymailto=3D"mailto:orangely at yahoo.com">orangely at yahoo.com</A>> wrote:<=
BR>>> I think it's time to point out the commercial boater perspectiv=
e: many have had to boat this river with customers and their gear in 14-15 =
foot rafts in the 200's. This certainly isn't ideal. Many
comfortably boat it at 500cfs. If you get to do it at 1000cfs, you'v=
e got it posh. Anything above 600cfs works pretty nicely and many of =
us find it enjoyable in work or play at this level. Isn't maneuvering=
around rocks part of what makes it interesting?<BR>>> <BR>>> M=
onica & Josh<BR>>> <BR>>> _________________________________=
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cp.com/mailman/listinfo/awclist</A><BR>>> To unsubscribe go to the ab=
ove link and at the bottom there is an unsubscribe option.<BR>>> <BR>=
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