[NMPsycoling] [NMCycling] Tubeless forum
Philip B Simpson via Bike-racers
bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com
Sun May 4 10:53:17 MDT 2014
Summary of my 3 years of road tubeless experience: Yellow tape, valves
and Stan's fluid work great on Bontrager Race X-Lites, both 2008 and
2011 models, and also on Mavic Aksium wheels. I love the 25 mm wide
Hutchinson Intensive tires, super long lasting and flats are extremely
rare. Weight of 306g I think is not bad for a sturdy tire and of course
you save the weight of the tube. Have also used Hutchinson Fusion 3s,
slightly softer and lighter, good race tire but I don't use them for
training/commuting. Be careful to get the tubeless version of the tires.
Disclaimer: I wear a NoTubesNM jersey so I may be biased.
On 5/3/2014 12:14 PM, Tapley, George L via Bike-racers wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> We buy bikes because we love the ride. Then as we get flats we put
> crap into the tires so we don't get flats. Sealant, liners, the
> system...etc. Then the wheels with all of this stuff become heavy and
> unresponsive. The make the bike ride like a ton of bricks and feel
> dead. Tubeless systems put the smile back on your face. The
> handling is unbelievable!!! Oh and I know Robb M. has been riding
> them since they came out. You know as well as I do that Robb doesn't
> ride junk or anything that does not work.
>
> G
>
> *From:*David Porter [mailto:frogeye at porterscustom.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2014 8:47 PM
> *To:* Tapley, George L; 'Randall Canfield'; Clay Moseley
> *Cc:* racer's list
> *Subject:* Re: [NMCycling] Tubeless forum
>
> Hmm.. so what ever happened to the old "system" method of an old tire
> sans the side walls as a liner?
> I'm still using it and get maybe one flat per season. That's one tire
> (your choice), a tube and a worn out clincher... Am I missing
> something or am I just too cheap to do what everyone else is doing? I
> don't see the advantage of using a liquid sealant.
> dave
>
> On 5/2/2014 6:04 PM, Tapley, George L wrote:
>
> Hmmm!!! My set up was Easton EA70 wheels that are now 4 years
> old. Stan's tape 12.00, Stan's valves 15.99, Stan's sealant
> from the jug I had left over from doing my MTB tires 5 or 6 years
> ago. Hutchinson Sector tires....ebay 122.00 for the pair with
> free shipping.
>
> Total cost...well not what you have added up...let me see just
> what I spent on the new supplies well under $160.00.
>
> Priceless to me as they are the best riding tire since the Clement
> Paris-Roubaix or Vittoria Pave CG tires that I loved back in the
> early 80's. Not getting flats has just been a bonus! And yes, I
> pluck lots of goatheads out of them these days!
>
> You cannot use a folding clincher...it will blow off of the
> rim...maybe a steel beaded tire if it is a very tight fit on the rim.
>
> *From:*owner-bike-racers at swcp.com
> <mailto:owner-bike-racers at swcp.com>
> [mailto:owner-bike-racers at swcp.com] *On Behalf Of *Randall Canfield
> *Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2014 4:30 PM
> *To:* Clay Moseley
> *Cc:* racer's list
> *Subject:* Re: [NMCycling] Tubeless forum
>
> Yes you are correct and I am as cheap as they come. Alpha Comp
> wheel set 635.00, Hutchinson Secteur tubless tires 87.99 per tire,
> stan's valves 15.99. That's 825.00 for the set up. The OP concern
> was also about goat heads and flats in addition to tubeless.
> Just though they might want to here a getto goat head buster set
> up for price of the tubes and stain's alone.
>
> You can't go 5 miles in this town without pick'n up a goat head.
>
>
> On 5/2/2014 3:57 PM, Clay Moseley wrote:
>
> Hey Randall,
>
> Your idea is a good one, but it's not really a "tubeless"
> setup. It is simply a DIY slime tube (or more like a
> 'sealant' tube, as we've mostly all gone to using sealant like
> Stan's instead of that green slime), something many of us have
> been doing for a long time. In the method you describe,
> you're taking off the little cylindrical valve nut (sometimes
> requiring filing the valve stem plunger to get off), and
> filling the tube with sealant while keeping your thumb on the
> back of the tube to keep the valve stem core from dropping
> into the tube.
>
> Like I said, it's a good idea, but not the same as a true
> tubeless setup. There various justifications to just go
> without the tube. The main thing is the mechanics of the
> "ride" of the tire, or how the sidewall deforms under pressure
> and how it affects the tire's contact to the road. This is
> somewhat different from what the tire does with a tube in it.
> You can still pinch-flat a sealant tube, and it likely will
> NOT seal because the lacerations in a pinch flat are just too
> big to seal.
>
> Also, the tubeless tire setup actually seals much more quickly
> than a tube with sealant -- much more quickly, in most cases.
>
> The investment for the tubeless setups is not that much, and
> in the end pays for itself with the fact that you don't have
> to deal with tubes nearly as much as before. If you're like
> me, you probably have a bunch of old tubes with a hole or two
> sitting around collecting dust and dry rotting. I used to be
> able to give them to the junior kids around here and teach
> them how to patch them, then they just got to keep them. Now,
> not that many kids get into cycling, so I've collected more
> than I want to admit. Anyway, tubeless eliminates a lot of this.
>
> So, to get to my point, you can buy that same tape that Stan's
> sells for much cheaper -- 3M makes that 1/2" clear weather
> seal adhesive tape, which is essentially the same thing.
> There are lots of 3M adhesive tapes that work OK for the
> purpose, and if you REALLY want it to seal, just make a couple
> of quick passes over it with a heat gun (don't burn through
> it, though).
>
> You still gotta buy the tubeless valve stems, though. That is
> not a big expense. You also have to use a pretty sturdy
> folding clincher. I don't think a tire with a steel bead
> would work as tubeless (who uses those anyway?).
>
> The main thing that makes this a "specialty" product, however,
> is the need to have an air compressor. You just can't get
> that air surge that you need from a hand pump alone. You
> gotta have an air compressor and a presta to schrader valve
> adapter.
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Randall Canfield
> <Rcanfield at canfieldinsurance.com
> <mailto:Rcanfield at canfieldinsurance.com>> wrote:
>
> DIY
>
> For those of you that don't want to spend a small fortune on
> rims and tires. I use the standard rim. What ever you now
> have. My SS has Surly heavy rims and a 28 Gotham tire. I get
> the cheapest tubes I can buy with long stems. Remove the end
> nut on the stem valve and pinch the back of the tube when you
> feel the stem drop in. Hard to explain but easy to do.
> Probably some thing about it online anyway. Fill it with 2oz
> of stan's. Shake the stem back out and put the nut back on.
> Don't put any thing between the tire and the tube. Such as a
> liner or it won't seal good. (Thanks to Mark Thompson for that
> tip.) I picked out 2 goat heads this morning and lost only a
> few lbs before it sealed. I can usually run the same tube for
> many months and just pick out the goat heads when I see them.
> I also have a road bike with 25's on Fulcrum rims I commute
> with no problems. Goat heads are the devil's child....Just say'n.
>
> --
> Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM
> 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/
> <http://www.porterbikes.com/>
>
>
>
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