[NMCycling] Seriously?

Tue Apr 26 13:16:38 MDT 2016

When doctors bring patients up to normal testosterone levels there is
little to no advantage as you are just normal.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 12:51 PM, microbiojavi--- via Bike-racers <
bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

> Race Clean.  Race Safe.
>
> *Javier*
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Samuel Medina via Bike-racers <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>
> To: philip neis <philipneis at hotmail.com>
> Cc: bike-racers <bike-racers at swcp.com>; Cliff Loucks <Cliff at CSLoucks.net>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2016 12:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [NMCycling] Seriously?
>
> The "level playing field" argument is invalid. Taking any performance
> enhancing drugs to win a race is racing like a coward. Doping is wrong and
> immoral. End of story. Hats off to those who race clean!
>
> Samuel Medina
>
> > On Apr 26, 2016, at 12:40, philip neis via Bike-racers <bike-
> racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
> >
> > By this logic if they are all doping it's a "level playing field". If
> you have a medical condition that prevents you from legally competing in a
> sport you should not be competing in the sport. Pretty sure Lance and all
> the other dopers from that era already used the "level playing field"
> argument.
> >
> >> On Apr 26, 2016, at 11:08 AM, Cliff Loucks via Bike-racers <bike-
> racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yea, but in Teeple's case, they made him prove he's naturally deficient
> so the supplement would bring him up to a normal level. Saying it another
> way, they are allowing him to level the playing field - just the other
> around. Let's call it playing the level field? The article doesn't say
> anything about a middle of the pack requirement in his case. That said. How
> many people have the resources to pay out of pocket for an MRI? You'd have
> to give up the next bike purchase. I'm sure there is more to Teeple's case
> than the article mentions. Based on the facts it presents, I think the
> exemption is warranted.
> >>
> >> And That's The Way It Is,
> >> --Walter
> >>
> >>
> >> Many of you probably have no clue who I just quoted.
> >> --Cliff
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Apr 26 2016 10:35 AM, Paul Sery via Bike-racers wrote:
> >>> I can't prove it but will promise to slam on my brakes the next time
> >>> I'm about to win if given my TUE.
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Warsa, James S via Bike-racers wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah, but that's what's funny. You can get only get the TUE if you
> >>>> prove you aren't going to win. How the hell do you *prove* something
> >>>> like that anyway?
> >>>>
> >>>> Interpreting that quote from USADA literally, though, it seems that
> >>>> any placing other than first is okay. So I'd say cover yourself in
> >>>> patches.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jim Warsa
> >>>> Transport Methods Section
> >>>> Computational Physics and Methods Group, CCS-2
> >>>> Computer, Computational and Statistical Sciences Division
> >>>> Los Alamos National Laboratory
> >>>> 505-667-0214
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________________
> >>>> From: John Savickas <John at Savickas.com>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:46 AM
> >>>> To: Warsa, James S; bike-racers at swcp.com
> >>>> Subject: RE: [NMCycling] Seriously?
> >>>>
> >>>> Hum, "Got Low T?" Side effects of taking Low T medication
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Winning more races!
> >>>> 2. PR at age 60 for Record Challenge!
> >>>>
> >>>> USADA isn't broadcasting the news - Not anymore. Word is out!
> >>>>
> >>>> Race results will have to have an *. *rider on Low T medication
> >>>>
> >>>> Instructions say use one patch a day... What if I use 2 or 3?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Bike-racers [mailto:bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com
> <bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com?>] On Behalf Of
> >>>> Warsa, James S via Bike-racers
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:01 AM
> >>>> To: bike-racers at swcp.com
> >>>> Subject: [NMCycling] Seriously?
> >>>>
> >>>> Unbelievable. Almost. The best part is someone can dope if they
> "prove to
> >>>> USADA that he or she is unlikely to actually win one of these amateur
> >>>> races".
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://www.wsj.com/articles/prescription-steroids-get-a-quiet-exemption-1461
> >>>> 365753
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jim Warsa
> >>>> Transport Methods Section
> >>>> Computational Physics and Methods Group, CCS-2 Computer,
> Computational and
> >>>> Statistical Sciences Division Los Alamos National Laboratory
> >>>> 505-667-0214
> >>>>
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