[NMCycling] Mari Holden trivia
paul via Bike-racers
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Thu Jul 21 21:23:02 MDT 2016
How many firecrackers did he drop in front of you from his "Subisnack"?
(Ok, much better effect at 3am but still can be jarring in daylight.)
I actually finished the Bottomless lakes race one lap down (10 mile
circuit!). I figured my best shot at a top-10 finish in a 1-3 race was
waiting for most of the skinny 2's to drop out with hypothermia. (I rode
with a few saying "yeah, it's really silly to continue on in this rain
and wind...) Almost made it too but Geeg-Bastion-Geeg closed it out
leaving me in the bitter taste of 11th place.
On 07/20/2016 11:05 PM, wrucker at zianet.com wrote:
> V-R that year was a once in a lifetime event. One mile into the race I
> was dropped absolutely spinning a 52x12. I considered turning around
> and going back to the start, but the wind was so great that I figured
> going 80 miles to Roswell was easier than 1 mile back to Vaughn. I was
> right.
>
> Of course, the problem with a point to point race was having to drive
> back to Vaughn to pick up our truck. Brian DeBlanc and I were driving
> back to Vaughn when we drove up behind Frey in his Subaru. He was
> drafting an RV, not only just 6 inches of the RV's bumper but
> echeloned a couple feet to the right. When we got to Vaughn Frey drove
> right to the gas station, claiming that drafting the RV was the only
> way he made it. It was fun to watch.
>
> And the next day was the Bottomless Lakes race. The wind the previous
> day brought some cold rain. Miserable conditions made an otherwise fun
> course, well, miserable. 3 laps was my limit before I DNF'ed. But what
> a weekend.
>
> paul via Bike-racers writes:
>
>> Oh yeah, I remember V-R. Wicked storm front moved through just before
>> the start. Off the back before getting out of the "neutral zone"
>> parking lot. Looked down at speedo at 1' and saw 40+miles. Me and ?
>> didn't catch the group until 1.5'. We finished about 10" behind you
>> guys at 2'55" I think? Once in a lifetime race. Ahuahua!
>>
>>
>> On 07/20/2016 02:40 PM, Clay Moseley wrote:
>>>
>>> I was at the turn-around that day (I was too poor to afford the
>>> entry fee). I very well remember the long line of traffic that was
>>> held up just before the "big guys" (Frey, Bostick, etc.) came
>>> through the turn around just north of Estancia, including some very
>>> slow-accelerating, heavily loaded trucks.
>>>
>>> Now, having been there myself, I know how much a truck moving at
>>> speeds in the 40s (mph) helps when you're averaging 34 mph
>>> yourself. I've had a lot of long car trips with Kent Bostick to
>>> hear the inch-by-inch replay of that day. Many factors were at play,
>>> but the bottom line is that Frey was the only guy who could pedal
>>> that fast that day (on a fixie, no less...). Recall that Frey also
>>> win the national TT championship at the 1988 Olympic trials, ahead
>>> of arguably one of the most talented group of American TT strong-men
>>> ever assembled (Norm Alvis, etc.).
>>>
>>> I've been on Frey's wheel in many hard races, and the guy was the
>>> master of the "big wind-up," where everyone else was completely spun
>>> out, or maxed out, and he could always reach for more with just a
>>> little more RPM that no one else could muster. I can vividly
>>> remember the look of his pedal stroke and the back of his legs, and
>>> how he would actually sit up straighter and higher on his bike to do
>>> it (vs. the famous "Bosti-meter" head tilt and full spasm body
>>> crouch of Kent Bostick).
>>>
>>> Besides Jim Warsa, anyone else remember the "Great Vaughn to Roswell
>>> Road Race" the day we had that tailwind and did 90+miles in like
>>> 2:45? Classic John Frey conditions...
>>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2016 1:15 PM, "Warsa, James S" <warsa at lanl.gov
>>> <mailto:warsa at lanl.gov>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Weather. Double-tailwind that day.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jim Warsa
>>> Transport Methods Section
>>> Computational Physics and Methods Group, CCS-2
>>> Computer, Computational and Statistical Sciences Division
>>> Los Alamos National Laboratory
>>> 505-667-0214 <tel:505-667-0214>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* Bike-racers <bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com
>>> <mailto:bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com>> on behalf of George
>>> Tapley via Bike-racers <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com
>>> <mailto:bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:19 PM
>>> *To:* paul; Craig M. Doolittle; Craig Denman; Clay Moseley; Chad
>>> Patterson; NM Bike Racers
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NMCycling] Mari Holden trivia
>>> Chad,
>>> Back in the fast days before the shoulder there was the tire wear
>>> strip. That was the fast line.
>>>
>>> I know I have spoken with a number of people over the years on the
>>> record and many will not attempt it because the
>>> course is not closed. One team manager actually said that Frey
>>> had to be drafting the day he set his record.
>>>
>>> Yeah, Steve Wood had just graduated from Highland High. I think
>>> he is still the youngest winner of road nationals
>>> and may still have the largest winning margin. A ride legends
>>> are made of. Flatted 2x caught back solo both times.
>>> Went through the field and attacked after the second lap. Tom
>>> Doughty was the only one to go with him. Then he dropped
>>> Doughty on Watertower hill. Solo'd in for the victory.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 8:36 AM, paul via Bike-racers
>>> <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com
>>> <mailto:bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ...and the alibaba face mask, gigantic spoke protector (disk wheel
>>> precursor), Schwinn Ashtabula forks, 12 spokes(?), ...
>>>
>>> On 07/19/2016 05:26 PM, Craig M. Doolittle via Bike-racers wrote:
>>> And on the bottom of his shoes!
>>> *From:*Bike-racers [mailto:bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Craig Denman via Bike-racers
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 19, 2016 5:21 PM
>>> *To:* Clay Moseley; Chad Patterson; NM Bike Racers
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NMCycling] Mari Holden trivia
>>> I remember John Frey's first TT record because I spent so much
>>> time looking at the stenciled 51:57 on the back of his seat tube
>>> -- and recall the 600-grit sandpaper on all of the tube leading
>>> edges placed there for the hype of speed.
>>> Craig Denman
>>> On 07/19/2016 03:53 PM, Clay Moseley via Bike-racers wrote:
>>>
>>> John Frey once held the national record at around 52:00 early
>>> in his career with RGRT. I remember when it was still above
>>> the 50:00 mark around 1987 or so, then came the "fast years"
>>> from 1988 to recent. I think Kent was the first one to go
>>> sub-50 with his Ten-Speed Drive Guercotti, and within a year
>>> he got that down to 48:44 or so, when Frey did his thing in
>>> 1990 (47:35?). On that same day, Kent also went
>>> 47:40-something. I only recall one other person going sub-48
>>> on the Moriarty course, and that was Colby Pearce with his
>>> high-dollar Lotus and Superman position. In recent years, it
>>> seems that the 50:00 minute barrier has become harder to break.
>>> All that being said, I think the Brits were the first ones to
>>> make the 25-mile time trial a famous distance that was focused
>>> on for speed records. Our times compare closely with theirs,
>>> but it wasn't until Boardman came along that the 47-minute
>>> barrier was broken. Then there was a string of them as well.
>>> Anyway, back to your original question, Mari Holden's time is
>>> pretty killer. Many top-level (Pro/Cat-1) men can't time
>>> trial that fast on an equitable course with the same
>>> conditions. That time will stand for a while.
>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Chad Patterson via
>>> Bike-racers <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com
>>> <mailto:bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
>>> Can anyone tell me the last time a 51:36 would've been the
>>> outright winner of Record Challenge? I'm just looking for
>>> something that will illustrate to the average sports fan how
>>> ridiculously fast that is.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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