[NMCycling] Mari Holden trivia

paul via Bike-racers bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com
Thu Jul 21 21:23:02 MDT 2016


How many firecrackers did he drop in front of you from his "Subisnack"? 
(Ok, much better effect at 3am but still can be jarring in daylight.)

I actually finished the Bottomless lakes race one lap down (10 mile 
circuit!). I figured my best shot at a top-10 finish in a 1-3 race was 
waiting for most of the skinny 2's to drop out with hypothermia. (I rode 
with a few saying "yeah, it's really silly to continue on in this rain 
and wind...) Almost made it too but Geeg-Bastion-Geeg closed it out 
leaving me in the bitter taste of 11th place.

On 07/20/2016 11:05 PM, wrucker at zianet.com wrote:
> V-R that year was a once in a lifetime event. One mile into the race I 
> was dropped absolutely spinning a 52x12. I considered turning around 
> and going back to the start, but the wind was so great that I figured 
> going 80 miles to Roswell was easier than 1 mile back to Vaughn. I was 
> right.
>
> Of course, the problem with a point to point race was having to drive 
> back to Vaughn to pick up our truck. Brian DeBlanc and I were driving 
> back to Vaughn when we drove up behind Frey in his Subaru. He was 
> drafting an RV, not only just 6 inches of the RV's bumper but 
> echeloned a couple feet to the right. When we got to Vaughn Frey drove 
> right to the gas station, claiming that drafting the RV was the only 
> way he made it. It was fun to watch.
>
> And the next day was the Bottomless Lakes race. The wind the previous 
> day brought some cold rain. Miserable conditions made an otherwise fun 
> course, well, miserable. 3 laps was my limit before I DNF'ed. But what 
> a weekend.
>
> paul via Bike-racers writes:
>
>> Oh yeah, I remember V-R. Wicked storm front moved through just before 
>> the start. Off the back before getting out of the "neutral zone" 
>> parking lot. Looked down at speedo at 1' and saw 40+miles. Me and ? 
>> didn't catch the group until 1.5'. We finished about 10" behind you 
>> guys at 2'55" I think? Once in a lifetime race. Ahuahua!
>>
>>
>> On 07/20/2016 02:40 PM, Clay Moseley wrote:
>>>
>>> I was at the turn-around that day (I was too poor to afford the 
>>> entry fee). I very well remember the long line of traffic that was 
>>> held up just before the "big guys" (Frey, Bostick, etc.) came 
>>> through the turn around just north of Estancia, including some very 
>>> slow-accelerating, heavily loaded trucks.
>>>
>>> Now, having been there myself, I know how much a truck moving at 
>>> speeds in the 40s (mph) helps when you're averaging 34 mph 
>>> yourself.  I've had a lot of long car trips with Kent Bostick to 
>>> hear the inch-by-inch replay of that day. Many factors were at play, 
>>> but the bottom line is that Frey was the only guy who could pedal 
>>> that fast that day (on a fixie, no less...). Recall that Frey also 
>>> win the national TT championship at the 1988 Olympic trials, ahead 
>>> of arguably one of the most talented group of American TT strong-men 
>>> ever assembled (Norm Alvis, etc.).
>>>
>>> I've been on Frey's wheel in many hard races, and the guy was the 
>>> master of the "big wind-up," where everyone else was completely spun 
>>> out, or maxed out, and he could always reach for more with just a 
>>> little more RPM that no one else could muster. I can vividly 
>>> remember the look of his pedal stroke and the back of his legs, and 
>>> how he would actually sit up straighter and higher on his bike to do 
>>> it (vs. the famous "Bosti-meter" head tilt and full spasm body 
>>> crouch of Kent Bostick).
>>>
>>> Besides Jim Warsa, anyone else remember the "Great Vaughn to Roswell 
>>> Road Race" the day we had that tailwind and did 90+miles in like 
>>> 2:45? Classic John Frey conditions...
>>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2016 1:15 PM, "Warsa, James S" <warsa at lanl.gov 
>>> <mailto:warsa at lanl.gov>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     ​​Weather. Double-tailwind that day.
>>>
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     Jim Warsa
>>>     Transport Methods Section
>>>     Computational Physics and Methods Group, CCS-2
>>>     Computer, Computational and Statistical Sciences Division
>>>     Los Alamos National Laboratory
>>>     505-667-0214 <tel:505-667-0214>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>
>>>     *From:* Bike-racers <bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com
>>>     <mailto:bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com>> on behalf of George
>>>     Tapley via Bike-racers <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com
>>>     <mailto:bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>>
>>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:19 PM
>>>     *To:* paul; Craig M. Doolittle; Craig Denman; Clay Moseley; Chad
>>>     Patterson; NM Bike Racers
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [NMCycling] Mari Holden trivia
>>>     Chad,
>>>     Back in the fast days before the shoulder there was the tire wear
>>>     strip. That was the fast line.
>>>
>>>     I know I have spoken with a number of people over the years on the
>>>     record and many will not attempt it because the
>>>     course is not closed.    One team manager actually said that Frey
>>>     had to be drafting the day he set his record.
>>>
>>>     Yeah, Steve Wood had just graduated from Highland High.  I think
>>>     he is still the youngest winner of road nationals
>>>     and may still have the largest winning margin.   A ride legends
>>>     are made of.  Flatted 2x caught back solo both times.
>>>     Went through the field and attacked after the second lap. Tom
>>>     Doughty was the only one to go with him.  Then he dropped
>>>     Doughty on Watertower hill.   Solo'd in for the victory.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 8:36 AM, paul via Bike-racers
>>>     <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com
>>>     <mailto:bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>     ...and the alibaba face mask, gigantic spoke protector (disk wheel
>>>     precursor), Schwinn Ashtabula forks, 12 spokes(?), ...
>>>
>>>     On 07/19/2016 05:26 PM, Craig M. Doolittle via Bike-racers wrote:
>>>     And on the bottom of his shoes!
>>>     *From:*Bike-racers [mailto:bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com]
>>>     *On Behalf Of *Craig Denman via Bike-racers
>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, July 19, 2016 5:21 PM
>>>     *To:* Clay Moseley; Chad Patterson; NM Bike Racers
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [NMCycling] Mari Holden trivia
>>>     I remember John Frey's first TT record because I spent so much
>>>     time looking at the stenciled 51:57 on the back of his seat tube
>>>     -- and recall the 600-grit sandpaper on all of the tube leading
>>>     edges placed there for the hype of speed.
>>>     Craig Denman
>>>     On 07/19/2016 03:53 PM, Clay Moseley via Bike-racers wrote:
>>>
>>>         John Frey once held the national record at around 52:00 early
>>>         in his career with RGRT. I remember when it was still above
>>>         the 50:00 mark around 1987 or so, then came the "fast years"
>>>         from 1988 to recent.  I think Kent was the first one to go
>>>         sub-50 with his Ten-Speed Drive Guercotti, and within a year
>>>         he got that down to 48:44 or so, when Frey did his thing in
>>>         1990 (47:35?).  On that same day, Kent also went
>>>         47:40-something.  I only recall one other person going sub-48
>>>         on the Moriarty course, and that was Colby Pearce with his
>>>         high-dollar Lotus and Superman position.  In recent years, it
>>>         seems that the 50:00 minute barrier has become harder to break.
>>>         All that being said, I think the Brits were the first ones to
>>>         make the 25-mile time trial a famous distance that was focused
>>>         on for speed records.  Our times compare closely with theirs,
>>>         but it wasn't until Boardman came along that the 47-minute
>>>         barrier was broken.  Then there was a string of them as well.
>>>         Anyway, back to your original question, Mari Holden's time is
>>>         pretty killer.  Many top-level (Pro/Cat-1) men can't time
>>>         trial that fast on an equitable course with the same
>>>         conditions.  That time will stand for a while.
>>>         On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Chad Patterson via
>>>         Bike-racers <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com
>>>         <mailto:bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
>>>         Can anyone tell me the last time a 51:36 would've been the
>>>         outright winner of Record Challenge?  I'm just looking for
>>>         something that will illustrate to the average sports fan how
>>>         ridiculously fast that is.
>>>
>>>         Sent from my iPhone
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