[NMCycling] Cruces Cross 2019 Canceled

Fri Nov 29 11:36:53 MST 2019

A few comments:

1) It's a lot of work to put on a race and it's not cheap. Depending on
discipline (between permits, insurance, police, venue fees, etc) a single
race can cost thousands. Nobody in NM is getting rich off race promotion.
MTB and CX races aren't as expensive as road races but they wayyyyy more
labor intensive. Could take a team of 3-5 workers as long as a day to set
up a course. So when there's 6 people registered 2-days before an event,
can we blame the promoter when they cancel?

2) It's true most racers tend to register last minute; like they're on ebay
putting through a bid in the last seconds of a listing. I believe the
reason for this is because many want to see who and how many are signed up;
"what are my chances of getting on that podium". Other reasons are weather
forecasts and late fee's aren't significant enough. I'll admit I've found
myself guilty of all of these reasons to not register early. A solution
might be to NOT publish registrant names an even quantities. Increase late
fee's but that would mean, to be fair, race directors would need their even
open for registration months in advance. Not weeks.

3) It's been suggested, many times, that NMBRA scrap the series jerseys and
divvy the expense of jerseys between the respective race promoters. Here is
why that hasn't happened:

Depending on discipline, the cost of a set of series jerseys can be as much
as about $450-$800 (give or take). Divide that between the number of
respective events and we're taking maybe $40-60 each. So the question
becomes, what helps the race promoters more? Give the race promoters their
share of $40-60? Or, are the promoters getting additional registrants from
individuals chasing series jerseys which likely more than offsets the cost
of series jerseys? I agree with the later.

Lastly, regarding jerseys, Hadji with Racing Apparel in Santa Fe has been
pivotal in reducing the costs of series jerseys. We at NMBRA thank him and
his company for everything they do for the NM racing community.

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:03 AM biobiker--- via Bike-racers <
bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

> Since I like to sound like a broken bell:
>
> a couple of years ago I mentioned to a NMBRA meeting that the money that
> we use to buy the series jersey could be used to help promoter with the
> cost of putting up a race. My idea was a sort of loan just to make the
> promoters feel comfortable while putting up a race, not to put their own
> money at risk.
>
> My idea was trashed because, apparently, people really like those
> jerseys...like Shane, this is just my POV, but there must be a correlation
> with the fact that we have fewer and fewer races...
>
>
> Il 28 novembre 2019 alle 22.37 Nathan Masek via Bike-racers <
> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> ha scritto:
>
> I agree with Bob’s point below. I too typically register late, but this
> time, given that the CX gods are
> blessing us with snow, I just registered - this is going to be awesome,
> much like last year's Roosevelt CX, 👍
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 28, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Shane Cunico via Bike-racers <
> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> While I understand the fact that in NM, and perhaps elsewhere, early
> registrations are often a fraction of race day participation, we need to
> give promoters the benefit of the doubt when making a go/nogo decision.
>
> This is absolutely true when these are simply individuals that are taking
> a personal financial risk.  I don’t for one second blame anyone for not
> wanting to go into personal debt for things going bad, when trying to
> support their team or organization.
>
> It’s not self fulfilling, it is self preservation.
>
> ...and this is not meant to inflame a conversation, just a different POV.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Shane C.
>
> On Nov 27, 2019, at 12:25, Bob Perls via Bike-racers <
> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> Plus, historically racers register late or on the day of the event.
> Shutting the event down due to low turnout is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
>
> Bob
>
> On Nov 27, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Parmenides Orpinel via Bike-racers <
> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> For the Prestige SantaCross Race the High Desert Bycicle Team will set up
> the show even if only the crew and some riders show up.
>
> As a promoters we need to set up a plan and stick to it into the end and
> most important “Make it Work”.
>
> We spect a low number of rider, very low maybe 20 and what YOU, rider,
> spect from us is a fun course, very well mark, Awards/Swag (about $500 see
> attached picture to have and idea) and Prizes $540 cash and equal pay.
>
> SO that’s the PLAN and we will stick to it this year and the
> following years into riders know that we mean business and that together we
> can build a better community.
>
> We will be at Roosevelt Middle School cleaning and setting the course on
> Friday from 10:00 am into 2-3 pm. See you Saturday.
>
>  At the end of the day this is Cyclo Cross, a “Winter Sport”, so, accept
> the challenge!
>
> Parmenides “Par” Orpinel
>
> <IMG_3705.jpg>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 19:03 Brent Bonwell via Bike-racers <
> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Marcel, for putting forth the effort.
>
> If you like to race, pre-registering makes a big difference to the race
> promoters.  Par's Prestige Santa CX race on Saturday, 11/30, has exactly 2
> people registered.  Register HERE
> <https://www.bikereg.com/prestige-santacross#Register>for the Prestige
> Santa race.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On 11/20/2019 6:28 PM, Marcel Berger via Bike-racers wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Cruces Cross 2019 is canceled, due to low turnout.
>
> Marcel
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