[NMCycling] TT Series Update V2

Wed Aug 10 17:45:44 MDT 2022

Two things:

1) an introduction... I'm moving from Denver to ABQ sometime in early
October, and having been racing a little over 30 years, I thought I'd sign
up for the bike racer group to get a leg up on the goings on in the ABQ/NM
racing scene

2) an idea... There's a really nice system to adjust performances for age
that the VTTA (Veterans TT Association) in the UK uses to normalize race
results.  Basically, for any given distance, there's a 'standard' for every
age, and your race results are compared to the standard for your age.
Within a given age group, raw times are used, but for the overall results,
scores are based on the amount your time is over or under the standard.
For example, a 79 y.o. who is 40 seconds faster than their standard would
rank higher than a 35 y.o. who is only 39 seconds faster than theirs.
Might work in the scenario Gordon is referencing

https://www.vtta.org.uk/standards

Looking forward to getting down to ABQ and integrating into the racing
scene.

Scott Hendricks

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 4:37 PM Gordon Sargent via Bike-racers <
bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

> Your right it’s not about the money. I agree if $5.00 is that important
> the participant probably can’t afford the entry fee. It’s the idea of not
> being recognized. For example, In the first TT Phil Shew’s time was 26
> something. The winner’s time was 23 something. Phil is 79 years old. My
> guess is Phil’s time on any age graded scale is much more impressive than
> the actual winner. I’m only guessing but Phil would probably like to be
> recognized as having put in a pretty darn good ride. Instead he is listed
> as 7th place out of 10 male riders. I’m really really glad someone if
> putting on the series and in no way do I want anyone to be upset with me or
> my comments.
>
> I pledge any money I were to win, age group or otherwise I will donate to
> junior cycling. Gordon Sargent
>
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> *From:* Bike-racers <bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com> on behalf of
> husen_brian via Bike-racers <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2022 3:44 PM
> *To:* Michael Abdalla <mda at asrcorporation.com>
> *Cc:* Bike Racers <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [NMCycling] TT Series Update V2
>
> I've always asked if masters really race for the money. Really? The
> engineers from Sandia need 5 dollars?  I cared when i was in college, but
> not so much now that I'm all grown up (physically more than mentally).
>
> Seems like its nice for juniors and in the elite race category to draw
> people from elsewhere. For some kid trying to make it to the big time made
> sense but was always barely 20 bucks prize money even for the win. About
> 1/50 of what they had to pay to race. This is mostly because people think
> that  the15 different age  categories with everyone a winner all need money.
>
> Rambling thoughts and opinion I've have for years. May or may not be
> shared by others, but I personally think that if a masters racer is only
> coming for the 5 dollar prize, than they probably wouldn't come anyway.
>
> I will personally congratulate the winners. Is that enough?
>
> Ps, glad there is still someone willing to put these races on, they should
> actually get ALL the riches. Promoting races is a pain.
>
> Brian
> Nobody really.
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Gordon Sargent via Bike-racers <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>
> Date: 8/9/22 4:53 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: Michael Abdalla <mda at asrcorporation.com>, bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com
> Subject: Re: [NMCycling] TT Series Update V2
>
>  Mike, since I’ve been doing the TT series for many many years I’m going
> to share a couple of thoughts. First, thanks for directing/managing
> everything that goes into running the event. If not for TTs I probably
> wouldn’t race at all. So again thanks.
>
>  The other matter is this: No one over 55 or 60 has the remotest chance of
> winning any of the prize money (unless of course there is really low
> turnout. On the distaff side you have a couple freaks of nature, Susan and
> Mindy which, of course, weakens my point). Year after year some of the
> older riders are your most loyal participants. So please consider some
> incentive for those of us who like it or not got old.  Gordon Sargent
>
>
>
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> *From:* Bike-racers <bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com> on behalf of
> Michael Abdalla via Bike-racers <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:06:08 PM
> *To:* bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>
> *Subject:* [NMCycling] TT Series Update V2
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> The date for the final event is Sunday, August 21.  Not the 24th as I
> stated below.  Sorry about that.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Abdalla [mailto:mda at asrcorporation.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2022 1:03 PM
> *To:* 'bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com' <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>
> *Subject:* TT Series Update
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> The final event of the TT series is  Sunday, August 24.  Registration
>  closes at 5:00 on Saturday.  The 35 km option has been added for this
> event.  This will be a great warm-up for the state championship in
> September. The payout will be a little different.  For this event – we will
> pay out to 5 places ($75, $50, $25, $25, $25) for both men and women.  If
> you have already signed up for the 17 km and you want to change the 35  –
> send me an email.  *Everyone will need to pick up a new number for this
> event.*  Please come by the registration tent to pick up your number.
>
>
>
> Randy Corcoran is putting on the Paula Higgins Memorial Record Challenge
> (and the NM State Championship) this year. It will be on Sept. 4 (
> https://www.bikereg.com/recordchallenge
> <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bikereg.com%2Frecordchallenge&data=05%7C01%7Ctabdall%40sandia.gov%7C8aea483ba9b2439d930208da7a1938d8%7C7ccb5a20a303498cb0c129007381b574%7C1%7C0%7C637956545994465115%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=USWu3f9p5HufgfHcfOG5zBIUWtv5%2BY7FKZjyuvk9%2BtA%3D&reserved=0>
> ).  The medals for the TT series will be awarded at this event.
>
>
>
> Also – check out the pictures from the previous events (Albert Waters
> Photography).
>
>
>
> https://www.albertcw.com/sunday-july-10-2022
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> https://www.albertcw.com/sunday-july-24-2022
> <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.albertcw.com%2Fsunday-july-24-2022&data=05%7C01%7Ctabdall%40sandia.gov%7C8aea483ba9b2439d930208da7a1938d8%7C7ccb5a20a303498cb0c129007381b574%7C1%7C0%7C637956545994465115%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2FzJm1v0ratfL7L3a2%2Ble2AEjGe25SOUiQVQB2wGwSAE%3D&reserved=0>
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>
>
> A few more notes….
>
>
>
> ·       Registration: www.bikereg.com/albuquerque-time-trial-series
> <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bikereg.com%2Falbuquerque-time-trial-series&data=05%7C01%7Ctabdall%40sandia.gov%7C8aea483ba9b2439d930208da7a1938d8%7C7ccb5a20a303498cb0c129007381b574%7C1%7C0%7C637956545994465115%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=mLAOT7DrGKefLbS7FuKIjoiPWTfu7Grju5AMod6z468%3D&reserved=0>
>
> ·       Real time results will be posted at www.webscorer.com/NewMexico
> <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webscorer.com%2FNewMexico&data=05%7C01%7Ctabdall%40sandia.gov%7C8aea483ba9b2439d930208da7a1938d8%7C7ccb5a20a303498cb0c129007381b574%7C1%7C0%7C637956545994465115%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xspxQQ7%2Fg3eqlnaD26vWT4WT1IJyBtSXKSEwBLLlsK8%3D&reserved=0>
>
> ·       If you are doing the 35 km race, *please stick around for the
> results*.  Payouts will be made as soon as complete results are in.
>
> ·       Reminder – the course is the *Algodones* course this year (not
> the Double Eagle course)
>
> ·       Start times will be emailed and posted to the racers list after
> registration closes.
>
> ·       Number pickup will be in the parking lot to the left as you exit
> I-25.
>
>
>
> Look forward to seeing everyone.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>
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