[Neighbors] The AMA calls for enabling research into gun violence

Fri Jun 17 10:32:57 MDT 2016

I'm not sure if the NHNA bylaws address the issue of firearms possession, or presence, at its functions.  Our meeting venue, which is private property, may have something to say about it.
I strongly request that you you, and anyone else who may be carrying, check their weapon at the door...or wherever.

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> On Jun 17, 2016, at 04:49, Jack Hinton via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
> 
> Cliff,
> 
> This is the problem with people who question the rights of anyone who carries a gun.  Their "motives" are totally mis-characterized.  I don't "feel the need" to carry a gun into the neighborhood association meeting.  I carry my gun just about everywhere because anything can happen at any time.  This includes while walking my dogs, the Smith's grocery store, at the movies, etc.
> 
> We don't need to fund a study for anything.  It's common sense.
> 
> Jack
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 11:24 PM, Cliff Loucks <Cliff at CSLoucks.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> How many of you knew I was in the neighborhood association meetings with a gun? 
>> 
>> My guess?  None, Zero, Nada.  Why?  Exactly my point.  Why do you feel the need to have one at a NHNA meeting?
>> 
>> 
>>> We don't have a "gun" problem.  We have a mental health and ideology problem.
>> 
>> EXACTLY!  Thanks for returning us to what started this thread in the first place - the post that caused your knee jerk reaction.  Zach brought up this subject for us all to consider.  Thank you Zack.
>> 
>> http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/news/news/2016/2016-06-14-gun-violence-lobby-congress.page
>> 
>> 
>>> I'll be moving to TX soon and I'm really going to miss this neighborhood.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you Jack,
>> 
>> —-Cliff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>  Mass murders have been committed with pressure cookers and airplanes.
>>> 
>>> I am my brother's keeper.  It's up to all of us to alert the authorities when we see something out of the ordinary.  If our friends or family members are unstable or in distress, it's our responsibility to help them and that may mean taking their guns away without relying on government intervention.
>>> 
>>> It's also up to all of us to defend ourselves and our neighbors.  We shouldn't stand idle, while our neighbor's house is burglarized.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I believe military service should be compulsory.  In Switzerland, everyone gets a mental health evaluation through military service.  Those who are unfit, don't get weapons.
>>> 
>>> If you guys want to make Nob Hill a better neighborhood, be nosey neighbors.  Question people who don't belong on your street.  Take photos of suspicious cars.
>>> 
>>> I'll be moving to TX soon and I'm really going to miss this neighborhood.
>>> 
>>> Jack Hinton
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 4:28 PM, Susan Michie via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Approximately 30,000 people die in fatal car crashes every year too. Down from 50,000 in the 70s-80s. We have somehow managed a ton of research that has helped us figure out how to make owning and operating a car safer without limiting how many cars a responsible, law abiding citizen can own and drive. 
>>>> 
>>>> Why can't we do that with guns? Why is it that every time someone mentions gun control or reducing gun violence, someone else assumes that their right to own a gun will be taken away? It just doesn't make good sense. 
>>>> 
>>>> Susan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Zachary Benz via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>
>>>> To: Nob Hill <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com> 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:54 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] The AMA calls for enabling research into gun	violence
>>>> 
>>>> Neighbors,
>>>> 
>>>> I can fully understand what would lead someone to consider arming themselves for self defense.  Below is a picture of a bullet I found on my roof just a few weeks ago.  I don’t pretend to think there is a simple answer to gun violence, but I do hope there is something we can do to better understand its nature and its causes.
>>>> 
>>>> As has been correctly pointed out, anything to do with federal funding for research is going to have to happen at the federal level.  I wonder, though, if we couldn’t leverage the resources in our own community (e.g. UNM, APD, BCSO) to contribute to a deeper shared understanding of the problem by collecting and analyzing data from Albuquerque.  This may well already be happening in some form, but if so, I’m not aware of it.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> -Zach
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Anderson Robert <citizen at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> To bring this home to Coal Ave I saw a group of motorcycle riders roar past my house one day some with guns high on their hips.
>>>>> 
>>>>> IMO the problem is not regulations on guns but the break down of our society due to many causes like changes in technology, identity, foreign policy all of which get reflected in the behavior and survival needs of individuals.  Until we address that it will not do much.  But we should try.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hear gun shots in the night all the time around here.  Not very comforting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:29 AM, Sally Beers via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jack,
>>>>> I tend to disagree with you. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Albuquerque has gun violence problems and we should be open to new ways of curbing them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am thankful for Zach's post and feel his input is exactly the kind of issue I want to hear from my neighbors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Sally Beers
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>> On Wed, 6/15/16, Allyn via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] The AMA calls for enabling research into gun violence
>>>>> To: "Zachary Benz" <zbenz at me.com>
>>>>> Cc: "Hill, Nob" <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2016, 6:18 AM
>>>>> 
>>>>> President
>>>>> Obama's Surgeon General is using the AMA as a back door
>>>>> means to grab guns.  There is no need to bring this
>>>>> political issue into our neighborhood e-mail nor bother Pat
>>>>> Davis with this.  I'm not sure what the point of this
>>>>> e-mail is.
>>>>> Thanks,Jack
>>>>> From:
>>>>> "Zachary Benz via Neighbors_nobhill-nm"
>>>>> <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>
>>>>> To: "Pat Davis"
>>>>> <patdavis at cabq.gov>, neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:43:41
>>>>> PM
>>>>> Subject: [Neighbors] The AMA calls
>>>>> for enabling research into gun violence
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pat, Neighbors,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can appreciate
>>>>> that there are many opinions out there on gun rights and on
>>>>> the causes of gun violence.  It would seem to me that the
>>>>> American Medical Association's call for allowing
>>>>> government researchers to be allowed to study the causes of
>>>>> gun violence is highly sensible, and could be supported by
>>>>> many across the political spectrum. Currently the federal
>>>>> government is forbidden from funding research into gun
>>>>> violence, leaving us all to lean on anecdote and our own
>>>>> necessarily limited individual experiences rather than
>>>>> shared deep insight. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The AMA put out the following statement
>>>>> today:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "With approximately 30,000 men,
>>>>> women and children dying each year at the barrel of a gun in
>>>>> elementary schools, movie theaters, workplaces, houses of
>>>>> worship and on live television, the United States faces a
>>>>> public health crisis of gun violence. Even as America faces
>>>>> a crisis unrivaled in any other developed country, the
>>>>> Congress prohibits the CDC from conducting the very research
>>>>> that would help us understand the problems associated with
>>>>> gun violence and determine how to reduce the high rate of
>>>>> firearm-related deaths and injuries. An epidemiological
>>>>> analysis of gun violence is vital so physicians and other
>>>>> health providers, law enforcement, and society at large may
>>>>> be able to prevent injury, death and other harms to society
>>>>> resulting from firearms."
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Zach
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