[Neighbors] ART: Parking etc.
Barrera, Jim via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
Thu Mar 24 09:37:05 MDT 2016
Yes, it's just 130 feet from Campus to the signalized pedestrian crosswalk at Central. But some people feel that walking 130 feet out of their way is a burden that outweighs the risk of getting run down at the unmarked uncontrolled crossing. Their choice.
`jimb
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From: Neighbors_nobhill-nm [mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com] On Behalf Of Dave Dixon via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:35 AM
To: neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] ART: Parking etc.
And add to that the high-speed right-turners from Central who make
crossing Carlisle on Campus/Copper a suicide run.
On 03/23/2016 12:31 PM, ronhalbgewachs via Neighbors_nobhill-nm wrote:
> Pat,
>
>
>
> You are correct...Campus Blvd does extend all the way to Carlisle Blvd.
> Mornings along Campus are not too bad, although the fewer number of cars
> parked along Campus still creates a dangerous condition. It is the
> running of the gauntlet by some bicyclists dodging in and out around
> cars and trash barrels that makes the street so tough. Late afternoon
> and Saturdays are very difficult. Combine that with automobile drivers
> that may be using their cell phones or driving too fast to stop quickly
> or both and you have a very dangerous situation.
>
>
>
> Remarking Campus as a shared roadway would provide additional
> information to the bicyclists about riding in the same narrow lane of
> traffic with automobiles. Sadly, some folks in automobiles do not want
> to share the road.
>
>
>
> Ron Halbgewachs
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christine Mermier
> Sent: Mar 23, 2016 11:47 AM
> To: 'ronhalbgewachs' , "'Davis, Pat'" , 'Jim Strozier' , 'David
> Cameron' , 'Susan Michie' , John Massey
> Cc: "neighbors at nobhill-nm.com"
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] ART: Parking etc.
>
> Hi- Agree with Ron on his points. Either it should be designated
> for bikes, or for parking, but confusing the way it is for drivers
> and riders (and whatever the legality- many skateboarders also use
> the shoulder/parking/bike lane to travel). I ride Campus and
> Copper every day (twice a day) and end up going in and out of
> traffic to stay out of the way of cars as much as possible when
> there parked vehicles along the road there. I was glad to hear the
> response from someone who has never had an issue with cars, but I
> find that stretch pretty crazy sometimes. Wellseley comes into
> Campus right by Monte Vista and cars parked between Wellseley and
> Monte Vista block the view from drivers trying to turn onto Campus.
> A number of close calls there. I do realize the small businesses
> need parking, but it does seem like this will increase exponentially
> with ART.
>
>
> Christine Mermier
>
>
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> *From:* Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> <neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com> on behalf of John
> Massey via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 11:20 AM
> *To:* 'ronhalbgewachs'; 'Davis, Pat'; 'Jim Strozier'; 'David
> Cameron'; 'Susan Michie'
> *Cc:* neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Neighbors] ART: Parking etc.
>
>
> Hello Ron,
>
>
>
> Copper does not run from Monte Vista to Carlisle. That is Campus
> Blvd.
>
>
>
> Today is trash day and I just walked outside my office on Campus
> Blvd. There are very few cars parked up and down the street. It
> is, at least at this moment, quite available for car parking and
> bicycle traffic. In fact, on most weekdays during daylight business
> hours, there are usually an abundance of car parking spaces
> available on this road.
>
>
>
> The many parking spaces going unused on Campus Blvd between Carlisle
> and Monte Vista Avenue are probably due, in part, to the confusion
> created by the presence of a marked bicycle trail on Campus Blvd.
> While that stretch of road is part of a designated bike path
> according to city maps, it is also designated for free, unlimited
> parking in the Nob Hill Hiland Sector Plan adopted by the City in
> 2007. (See Figure 23 of that plan.) It has been used for car
> parking for the entire time I have worked here, beginning in 1997.
>
> Last September KOB's Haley Rush was encouraged to do a story on cars
> parking in the bike lane. She did. Some Parking Enforcement
> officers saw it and for the next few days handed out dozens of
> tickets to people parking in that stretch. The City reviewed the
> immediate cries of foul, noted there had been designated free
> parking along Campus for years, and then directed the Parking
> Enforcement employees to stop issuing tickets and cancelled all
> tickets that had been issued.
>
> Part of the KOB reporting included an interview with Jennifer Buntz
> who is a founding member of Duke City Wheelmen, the organization
> responsible for the placement of ghost bikes around the city and a
> couple of bicycle awareness rides each year. Ms. Buntz is also a
> certified biking instructor and coach and obviously takes bicycle
> safety very seriously. In the interview with Ms. Rush, Ms. Buntz
> suggested removing the bike lane designation and putting in marked
> parking spaces along Campus Blvd. That would provide drivers and
> bicyclists with the full and proper expectation that bicyclists on
> Campus would travel in the lane of traffic. Right now the bike lane
> makes drivers think that is only where bicyclists will be.
> Bicyclists feel somewhat compelled to go there but then must dodge
> out again around cars properly parked in those lanes. This creates
> confusing and dangerous movements. (See Ms. Buntz' interview at
> http://krqe.com/2015/09/21/cars-parking-on-bike-lane-causes-confusion-in-albuquerque/.)
>
> As a bicyclist who often uses Campus Blvd, I agree. Removing the
> bike lane designations and replacing them with clearly marked
> parking spaces up and down Campus would establish the bicyclists'
> clear right to be in the full vehicular traffic lane. Drivers would
> expect them to be there. There would be no more unsafe biking
> dipping in and out of traffic around a few parked cars.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Pat Massey
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> [mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com] *On Behalf Of
> *ronhalbgewachs via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:26 AM
> *To:* Davis, Pat; Jim Strozier; David Cameron; Susan Michie
> *Cc:* <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Neighbors] ART: Parking etc.
>
>
>
> Riding a bicycle along Campus is not too bad as long as you are
> careful at the storm grates on corners. Riding a bicycle on Copper
> from Monte Vista to Carlisle is a disaster. Christine Mermier is
> correct...there are essentially no bicycle lanes on Copper since the
> bicycle markings are covered up by the cars parked along Copper.
> And on trash days it gets even worse.
>
>
>
> The federal government requirement of dedicated lanes for ART is
> apparently not a requirement; it is my understanding that ART buses
> will be in mixed traffic from the Railroad tracks to University.
>
>
>
> Ron Halbgewachs
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Davis, Pat via Neighbors_nobhill-nm"
> Sent: Mar 22, 2016 3:49 PM
> To: Jim Strozier , David Cameron , Susan Michie
> Cc: ""
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] ART: Parking etc.
>
>
> Thanks, Susan, David and Jim for catching us up on this
> conversation.
>
>
>
> The Silver Ave bicycle boulevard project had public meetings
> last fall and comments from that meeting were incorporated into
> the proposal.
>
> https://www.cabq.gov/council/find-your-councilor/district-6/projects-and-special-initiatives/silver-avenue-bicycle-boulevard-improvements
>
>
>
> The project is currently out for design with an engineering firm
> and I will hold an additional public meeting in April to show
> the final proposed designs and to take public input. My goal is
> to have this project commence later this year and complete
> before the end of summer so we have a real bicycle boulevard in
> Nob Hill before any ART construction begins.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Pat Davis
>
> Albuquerque City Councilor, District 6
>
> 505.768.3100 | patdavis at cabq.gov
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> *From: *Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> <neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com
> <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com>> on
> behalf of Jim Strozier via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
> <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>>
> *Reply-To: *Jim Strozier <cp at consensusplanning.com
> <mailto:cp at consensusplanning.com>>
> *Date: *Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 3:24 PM
> *To: *David Cameron <rt66churchpastor at gmail.com
> <mailto:rt66churchpastor at gmail.com>>, Susan Michie
> <sgmichie at yahoo.com <mailto:sgmichie at yahoo.com>>
> *Cc: *"<neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> <mailto:neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>>" <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> <mailto:neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>>
> *Subject: *Re: [Neighbors] ART: Parking etc.
>
>
>
> David and Susan,
>
>
>
> I don't know much about the Silver project, but my understanding
> is that it includes back in or nose out angled parking. I
> understood it was approved, funded, and should be moving forward
> - not sure the extents or the schedule. I would suggest checking
> in with Sean at Councilor Davis' office.
>
>
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
>
> *Jim Strozier, AICP*
>
> *Consensus Planning, Inc.*
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> *From:*David Cameron [mailto:rt66churchpastor at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 22, 2016 3:16 PM
> *To:* Susan Michie <sgmichie at yahoo.com <mailto:sgmichie at yahoo.com>>
> *Cc:* Christine Mermier <cmermier at unm.edu
> <mailto:cmermier at unm.edu>>; Jim Strozier
> <cp at consensusplanning.com <mailto:cp at consensusplanning.com>>;
> Dan Spanogle <danspanogle at gmail.com
> <mailto:danspanogle at gmail.com>>; ronhalbgewachs
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> <mailto:ronhalbgewachs at peoplepc.com>>; <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
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> *Subject:* Re: [Neighbors] ART: Parking etc.
>
>
>
> Susan, thanks for this lengthy reply. Jim Strozier, I'm not sure
> where it stands, but about six months ago there was a meeting at
> Immanuel to talk about some Silver Street changes. One of the
> items proposed is back in angled parking on Silver west of
> Carlisle in some blocks.
>
> David
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Susan Michie via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
> <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
>
> As I understand it, the dedicated bus lane will have a
> rumble strip only, so that cars can still go around drivers
> that are parallel parking, as they do now. The rumble strip
> will also allow emergency vehicles to use the bus lane if
> necessary. Keep in mind that buses will be running at about
> 7 minute intervals which amounts to about 10 buses an hour
> in the bus lanes (that is way less than the traffic I have
> on my residential street!), thus the possibility of being
> hit by a bus when passing a parking car or crossing Central
> is not great.
>
>
>
> The reason there will not be bike lanes on Central is
> because there is not enough room to widen sidewalks, keep
> the parking, and include bike lanes. Also, Copper and Silver
> run parallel to Central and are both "bike boulevards" -
> which means bikes share the road with cars. There are also
> new bike lanes on Lead/Coal. The bike lanes on Copper were
> included to let car drivers know that Copper is meant to be
> a route for bikers, the city told us when the bike lanes
> were painted in that cars would still be allowed to park on
> Copper - because the parking is so important to the small
> business owners - I agree. I bike down Copper/Campus often
> and have not experienced any issues with traffic.
>
>
>
> Just for the record - when the city conducted the first
> study to determine if a BRT could work on Central, the plan
> was to replace the landscaped medians with one
> bi-directional bus lane with one station in Nob Hill. *The
> NHNA opposed the plan *because we wanted to keep the trees
> and medians, thinking that it would be impossible for
> pedestrians to cross Central with five lanes of traffic and
> no median. We sent out multiple notices on this list-serv
> and many neighbors sent letters to oppose removing the
> medians and trees and ask that the buses merge into the
> regular traffic thru Nob Hill (mixed flow in BRT lingo).
> According to the ART planners that was not possible because
> the Federal funding has a requirement for a "dedicated bus
> lane". Thus they recommended the bus lane with rumble strip
> so that the bus lanes would be "dedicated" but still usable
> to other traffic.
>
>
>
> After the retail expert (Gibbs) was hired by Councilor
> Garduno last year, Nob Hill Main Street requested that the
> sidewalks be widened and planted with more trees instead of
> retaining the medians, at a public outreach at MVCC in Nob
> Hill (also posted on this list-serv) in March 2015 the
> attendees voted in favor of wider sidewalks, because they
> thought it would be better for the businesses - that is how
> the current plan evolved.
>
>
>
> Although I was opposed to the BRT in the beginning, *after
> the City Council voted unanimously to support it last year
> with little fanfare from the public, opposition no longer
> seemed to be a viable option* and the NHNA did its best to
> obtain a plan that would be helpful to businesses in the
> future, including wider, tree lined sidewalks, calmer
> traffic, better maintenance, safer bus stations, and
> construction mitigation assistance.
>
>
>
> There is a certain amount of risk involved in any new
> development and I honestly do not know if the ART will be
> great for Nob Hill, but I am not convinced that it will be
> bad for us either, as the business district has been in
> decline for several years now and the rest of Central Avenue
> is worse off than we are. In any case, I do not think it
> would be realistic or wise to expect the City Council to
> turn around and reject the Federal funding at this point.
> Also, if the funding is approved based on the plan that was
> submitted, then changing it substantially is not really
> feasible as grant funding typically has to be spent as
> stated in the application.
>
>
>
> FYI - the ART is part of a larger plan to turn Nob Hill into
> a "Main Street Transit Corridor". All of that is now being
> laid out in the new city/county ABC-to -Z Comprehensive Plan
> that will be going before City Council in a couple of months
> - don't wait until it is too late to give your opinion on
> that plan. The deadline is March 11:
> https://www.cabq.gov/council/projects/current-projects/abc-z
>
>
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> *re*
>
>
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> *From:*Christine Mermier via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
> <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>>
> *To:* Jim Strozier <cp at consensusplanning.com
> <mailto:cp at consensusplanning.com>>; Dan Spanogle
> <danspanogle at gmail.com <mailto:danspanogle at gmail.com>>;
> ronhalbgewachs <ronhalbgewachs at peoplepc.com
> <mailto:ronhalbgewachs at peoplepc.com>>
> *Cc:* "<neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> <mailto:neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>>"
> <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com <mailto:neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 5, 2016 8:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Neighbors] ART
>
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> Are bicycle lanes being considered?-as it is, Copper has a
> "bike lane", but car & trash can parking is allowed, so most
> of the time we are pushed out into the lane. Monte Vista is
> wide enough for both, so it is much safer. I worry about
> traffic being pushed off into the side roads where kids (and
> adults) skateboard and bike, and people even walk in the
> streets because the sidewalks are pretty worthless (narrow,
> phone poles in the middle, driveway cut-outs etc.).
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
>
>
> Christine Mermier
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> <neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com
> <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com>> on
> behalf of ronhalbgewachs via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
> <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 9:44 PM
> *To:* Jim Strozier; Dan Spanogle
> *Cc:* <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> <mailto:neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [Neighbors] ART
>
>
>
> Where on Monte Vista is this being considered?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Strozier
> Sent: Mar 4, 2016 2:05 PM
> To: Dan Spanogle
> Cc: ronhalbgewachs , ""
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] ART
>
> The City is planning to do back in (or nose out) angled
> parking on Silver and looking at it as an option for
> Monte Vista.
>
> Jim Strozier, AICP
>
> Consensus Planning, Inc.
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Dan Spanogle via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
> <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
>
> I don't know if it is too late to make alterations
> to the parking plan...
>
>
>
> It seems to me that a helpful parking solution would
> be to change it to 'back-in only angle in' parking.
>
>
>
> I've seen this in other cities and it works great.
>
>
>
> 1. It doesn't take much more road space.
>
> 2. It's easier to back into an angled space with
> traffic than to parallel park.
>
> 3. It's safer for drivers to get in and out of their
> cars.
>
> 4. Nob Hill would get more parking spaces.
>
> 5. It's easier to merge back into traffic when
> leaving the parking space.
>
> Just a quick thought.
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016, ronhalbgewachs via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
> <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
>
> The single lane of traffic Cliff refers to will
> be a mixture of automobiles and "local" city
> buses. Yes, it will be bumper to bumper and I
> bet really hard to accomplish parallel parking.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cliff Loucks via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> Sent: Mar 2, 2016 8:30 PM
> To: ""
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] ART
>
> Yes, the parallel parking is remaining. But
> I'm confused about how functional it will
> be. I say given this that I picture lots of
> bumper to bumper traffic in the single lane
> available for cars here in the heart of Nob
> Hill. I could certainly be wrong about that.
>
>
>
> I've also been curious how the two lane
> traffic sections surrounding Nob Hill will
> smoothly transition into the single lane
> here in our neighborhood. After watching
> the traffic simulations on the ART website,
> what appears to happen is the outside
> traffic lanes becomes a Right Turn Only
> lane. Then I start picturing lots of
> unsuspecting motorists suddenly trying to
> merge into the thru lane.
>
>
>
> I am not against the ART project, I'm merely
> suffering some confusion about the real life
> functionality of some aspects of it.
>
>
>
> Please and Thank You,
>
> --Cliff
>
>
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> On Mar 2, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Jim Strozier
> via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
> <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I believe that the existing on-street
> parking is also being maintained in Nob
> Hill.
>
>
>
> *Jim Strozier, AICP*
>
> *Consensus Planning, Inc.*
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> [mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Susan Michie via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 4:32 PM
> *To:* Anderson Robert
> <citizen at comcast.net
> <mailto:citizen at comcast.net>>
> *Cc:* neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> <mailto:neighbors at nobhill-nm.com> Hill
> <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> <mailto:neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [Neighbors] ART
>
>
>
> Robert - as I understand it, there is a
> traffic analysis for the ART that
> provides an estimate of how much traffic
> could potentially be displaced onto all
> traffic arteries that parallel Central,
> rather than a plan to directly divert
> traffic onto Lead/Coal.
>
>
>
> Also, the current design plan will
> remove the medians and replace the same
> number of trees along the sidewalks and
> the parallel parking along Central will
> remain intact.
>
>
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Anderson Robert
> <citizen at comcast.net
> <mailto:citizen at comcast.net>>
> *To:* Susan Michie <sgmichie at yahoo.com
> <mailto:sgmichie at yahoo.com>>
> *Cc:* Greg Weirs <vgweirs at gmail.com
> <mailto:vgweirs at gmail.com>>;
> "neighbors at nobhill-nm.com Hill
> <mailto:neighbors at nobhill-nm.com%20Hill>" <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> <mailto:neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2016 4:42 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Neighbors] ART
>
>
>
> As I recall the early discussions in
> 2014 there was no open talk of shifting
> the traffic off Central to Lead/Coal.
>
> That was kept on the back burner and
> most people focused at the time on
> Central traffic. Now we know the full
> scope of what is planned with this ART.
> Is it necessary to destroy the
> communities along Lead/Coal to make a
> few bucks on Central?
>
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> On Mar 1, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Susan
> Michie via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
> <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Greg is right - I know of at least 3
> public outreach events held by the NHNA
> in Nob Hill about the BRT/ART. One at
> Yanni's in 2013, two at MVCC in 2014 and
> 2015. In addition, Bruce Rizzeri with
> ABQ attended a NHNA Board meeting to
> take comment and answer questions. All
> of these meetings were either advertised
> over this list-serv or published in our
> agendas. Also, two articles about the
> ART and where to give input were
> published in two editions our NHNA
> Newsletter that is hand delivered to
> every household and business in Nob Hill.
>
>
>
> I don't have a problem with people being
> opposed to the ART, but there is quite
> lot of invalid and unsubstantiated
> information being passed around over
> this list-serv and Nextdoor by the
> opposition. Whatever your position, you
> should be well-informed by both sides of
> the issue. Here is a link that may help
> you do that....
>
>
>
> In Defense of ART - A Response to Save
> Route 66 Central's Open Letter
> <https://urbanabq.com/2016/02/21/defenseofart/>
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> In Defense of ART - A Response to Save
> Route 66 Central'...
> <https://urbanabq.com/2016/02/21/defenseofart/>
>
> By Dan Majewski Edited by Jessica Carr,
> Chad Gruber, Leila Salim, Michael Vos
> and other UrbanABQ team members February
> 21, 2016 Preface As of Tuesda...
> <https://urbanabq.com/2016/02/21/defenseofart/>
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> I'm sorry, I have to disagree with your
> statement "It is a lie" that public
> meetings were held to get input. Here
> are some links to the archives of this
> email list where meetings were announced
> and other posts on the topic. There may
> be others as well, I did not do an
> exhaustive search. I do recall attending
> at least two meetings, and I estimate
> there were 50-100 other attendees at
> each.
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> March 5,
> 2015: http://mailman.swcp.com/pipermail/neighbors_nobhill-nm/2015-February/006056.html
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> June
> 2013: http://mailman.swcp.com/pipermail/neighbors_nobhill-nm/2013-June/004056.html
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> May
> 2013: http://mailman.swcp.com/pipermail/neighbors_nobhill-nm/2013-May/thread.html (please
> browse the thread titles for a number of
> posts)
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> Greg
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> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 1:04 PM,
> Anderson Robert via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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> Pete Dinielli is right on this. We
> should all go to city council Monday
> night and put this on their agenda
> again.
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> What I keep hearing from the city
> is how they consulted with so many
> people on this before hand. It is a
> lie. I figure they did talk to a
> few developers and people who want
> to spend a pile of money. I have
> lived here near 40 years now and
> know hundreds of local community
> residents, neighbors and friends and
> none of those folks told me the city
> had done outreach to them about this
> project. In fact if any of us
> voiced opposition we were
> deliberately excluded it seems.
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> We need more public transit for
> sure but this project with its
> stealth component of turning Lead
> and Coal and Zuni into major
> interstate highways will destroy the
> stable long-term neighborhoods on
> both sides of Central.
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> What we will have is a major exit
> of what makes up stable middle-class
> communities. Speculators like this
> kind of out migration. The plan has
> no consideration at all of the
> impact on the communities as far as
> I can tell. The more the public
> looks at it the more problems we can
> see with it, trees, crossings, more
> oil, parking, bankruptcies from more
> loans to businesses not doing well
> now...
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> I found the meeting last night
> helpful and learned a lot from folks
> who spoke in opposition to this
> plan.
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> This ART is BARF, Shut it Down!
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> Bob
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> On Feb 26, 2016, at 11:11 AM, Thomas
> Simic via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>
> wrote:
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> I attended the meeting last night.
> There were a lot of angry people and
> rightfully so. After attending the
> meeting, I am more concerned about
> the negative affect this project
> will have on Nob Hill, by
> eliminating appx. 71 trees, 68
> parking spaces and most left turn
> signals on Central. There is
> limited parking for people coming to
> Nob Hill presently and we are taking
> away more parking.All of this will
> affect businesses. There will be an
> increase of 300 cars during rush
> hour on Lead & Coal. I live on
> Carlisle & Coal and witness first
> hand the speeding,excessive noice
> from modified mufflers and big boom
> speakers in vehicles that rattle
> your house, accidents and loss of
> life at this intersection, not to
> mention the trash that people throw
> out of their windows. this will only
> increase this problem. The new
> buses will still use fossil fuels.
> There was mention about looking at
> an electric bus but no promise of
> such. I think we need to find a way
> to get a moratorium to stop this
> project and have everyone go back to
> the drawing board. I am in favor of
> progress but.....is this progress??
> Will the ART plan compete with plans
> in other states 5-10yrs. from now??
> Let's think about the future when
> making Albuquerque progressive. I am
> not sure if buses are the answer. I
> encourage everyone to take the
> survey online at Albuquerque Free
> Press and voice your opinion on this
> project. Thank you for hearing me
> out. Let's do what is right for Nob
> Hill and the city of Albuquerque.
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