[Neighbors] Neighbors_nobhill-nm Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3
Anderson Robert via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
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Tue Oct 4 11:37:35 MDT 2016
Veronica, Tom,
Yea, I have been pondering this too. I am not sure two way streets is the answer. I thought of four way red lights at key intersections or roundabouts say at University, Yale, Girard and Carlisle. Or, maybe good sized speed bumps in the road. They work in other communities. We do need the left turn light back at Carlisle for sure.
Traffic speed info lights only work for the honest driver. The problem is a particular set of drivers who want to drag race and sound off (with often small size) car engines equipped with special illegal emissions exhaust systems. This is an open lawless element among us acting in a terroristic manner toward civil society, imo. Some of the noise problem could be handled through the Vehicle Pollution Emission Management program easily.
We had a horrific three car pile up between Bryn Mawr and Richmond on Coal last Friday afternoon in the new heavy rush hour traffic (much of it now coming over from Central).
Bob
On Oct 4, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Veronica Salinas via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
What about turning both Lead and Coal into single lane one way streets with left hand turn lanes at intersections? By having left hand turn lanes and timing the lights properly, the traffic would move smoothly and capacity would not be much reduced from what it is now. The extra road space between intersections could be turned into a premium protected bike lane, buffered from traffic with a curb or parked cars.
The advantage to this configuration is:
- It would be very cheap to implement (just have to add curbs and restripe)
- Drag racing would be eliminated
- Traffic speeds would likely be reduced (due the narrowing of the street), but traffic capacity would likely be close to what it is now, especially if the lights are timed properly
- Pedestrian traffic on sidewalks would be greatly enhanced due to the buffering from traffic by the bike lane
- Bicycle traffic would be increased due to the protected bike lane
- Traffic accidents would be reduced due to the lower speeds and smooth flow of traffic
This arrangement could impede emergency vehicles on these roads, but other than that, I am having trouble thinking of a downside.
-Govinda
On Monday, October 3, 2016 8:39 PM, Mike Gallegos via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
Good analysis William...I quitem agree!
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From: William Luther via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>
Date: 10/3/16 1:00 PM (GMT-07:00)
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Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Neighbors_nobhill-nm Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3
I think turning Lead and Coal into two way streets would be a poor decision. Think it is difficult or dangerous crossing those streets now? Wait until ART. Now imagine if they are two way, one will have to look both ways and cross and slip in between oncoming cars from both directions at each road. I think the accident rate would go up exponentially with side impacts. Also thinking of two way traffic on those streets, imagine all those who turn left onto the neighborhood streets and what that will do, stopped, waiting ....... impatient drivers possibly looking to go around via the on coming traffic lanes, the honking for someone to "GO!", cars bumper to bumper up and down the streets emitting non-stop exhaust. I also think that the potential for head-on collisions is far greater as it will only take a momentary lapse of attention to swerve slightly into oncoming traffic causing a collision or causing another car to hop the curb, knock down trees, kill a pedestrian, run into a house or into a back yard in an effort to avoid such a collision. On the other hand, it would eliminate most drag racing (except for those who might chance it anyway and cause a deadly head-on collision). It could also eliminate the speeding and replace it with a slow moving or completely stopped line of traffic from I-25 to Washington.
These are my thoughts; I am a fellow concerned citizen and neighborhood resident/home owner living South of the one-ways, raising a young family and using these streets multiple times per day.
I have no hard facts or researched statistics to back any of these feelings up. All I have is 30+ years of personal experience in driving these streets and anticipating what "the other guy" on the street is going to do.
I cross these streets multiple times daily with my family, both in a vehicle and on foot.
I have no solution for the current problems. I wish I did!
I only see a multitude of potential problems with the ART diversion of traffic and the potential "two-way" Lead and Coal suggestion.
I read this letter all the time but respond rarely. My opinion is a two-way solution would be disastrous.
For what it's worth .....
Thank you,
William Luther
Associate Broker/Realtor
Armstrong Properties Inc.
400 Washington SE
Albuquerque, NM 87108
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1. Re: Lead/Coal accident statistics
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 08:53:14 -0700
From: Susan Michie via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
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Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics
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Tom,
I agree if neighbors don't live on Lead/Coal it is harder to understand the situation. But I think neighbors make suggestions because they are hearing your dilemma and they want to help. Do you have a viable solution we can support as a group or recommend to the NHNA board. Thanks Susan
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From: Thomas Simic via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
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Subject: [Neighbors] The Carlisle
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Has anyone given any thought as to those who buy a condo at The Carlisle, how they will be able to get in or out of their parking garage underneath the building during Summerfest and shop & stroll, since the entrance to the garage will be on Carlisle.???? I know that street closure doesn't occur very often but if I lived at The Carlisle, I would not be very happy being stuck in all day or if I was out for the day, not being able to return home until the street re-opened.
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Subject: [Neighbors] The Carlisle
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Sorry ,, I meant to say that the entrance to the Carlisle is on Central
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 15:06:10 -0600
From: shani--- via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
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Subject: Re: [Neighbors] The Carlisle
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> Perhaps... I never drive during Summerfest. My street is a bottle-neck-parking-lot-traffic-jam during that time. Since my driveway is one of the best parking spots in NH - the best parking spot anywhere in NH, I walk everywhere anyway. Hopefully the Carlisle Nob Hille?os will appreciate the fact they will always have a "great parking spot" too. If it upsets them this year, maybe not-so-much come another Summerfest or two.
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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 16:03:49 -0600
From: Beverly Hill via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
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To: "Susan Michie" <sgmichie at yahoo.com <mailto:sgmichie at yahoo.com>>, "Thomas Simic"
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Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics
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I've had a thought running around in my head for a while about all the changes that are happening in Nob Hill. Being a Pollyanna by nature, I am hoping for some positive unintended consequences resulting from A.R.T. (I still have trouble referring to it as art) and the displacement of vehicles from Central to the parallel streets.
Having grown up in Los Angeles and experienced all the gridlock freeways and alternate routes out there, it becomes clear after a while that the more vehicles you have on a road, the slower traffic travels. Can we hope that as vehicles move over to Lomas, Campus, Silver, Lead and Coal, the congestion will naturally slow traffic and reduce the incidence of drivers behaving badly? I happen to live on Campus and surely hope so. We can't stop it from happening, so now to observe what happens and push for mitigation if needed after we see the results. There is a lot of racing on Lomas, too, but I imagine the risk of a head-on collision does send the serious racers to the one-ways of Lead and Coal. Let's all keep working on solutions and hoping we can find common ground to approach the city with. Wish us all luck.
Beverly
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From: Susan Michie via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
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Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics
Tom,
I agree if neighbors don't live on Lead/Coal it is harder to understand the situation. But I think neighbors make suggestions because they are hearing your dilemma and they want to help. Do you have a viable solution we can support as a group or recommend to the NHNA board. Thanks Susan
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Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics
Sent: Mon, Sep 12, 2016 10:03:49 PM
Have you thought about how your suggestion would affect emergency vehicles and their response time???
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From: Susan Michie via Neighbors_n...
Date: Mon, Sep 12, 2016 2:03 PM
To: Stephen Mullens;Anderson Robert;
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Subject:Re: [Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics
The primary problem here appears to be the double lane one-way streets that are now straight and thus, provide good opportunity for racing. What do neighbors who live on these streets think about changing both Lead and Coal into two-way streets? Which would eliminate racing and all the noise, etc. that goes with it. Just curious...S
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Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics
Good stuff. Bob. Thank you.> On Aug 29, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Anderson Robert via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:>
> Thanks Dave for this useful information. As Juan points out, the data show the accidents with severe injuries are more as perhaps the number total accidents may be less. I say perhaps as this data is probably incomplete because some people will settled between themselves rather than report it. Or, how do we chart like the day I was almost killed at the corner in my yard trimming weeds by a car that spun backwards out of control in a run-the N/S stop sign collision, with a car stopping inches behind me in just seconds with the read bumper on my legs. Yes, I have a personal stake in safety on this roadway. The latest collision here that spun out went through my yard wall headed toward the bed room where my girls sleep.&
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