[Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics

Mon Sep 12 14:33:04 MDT 2016

I live on Carlisle between Central and Lomas.  It is a 2-way, one lane in
each direction street.  It is posted 25 MPH.  There is no traffic law
enforcement by the APD so my stretch of Carlisle is really more of a race
track.  Almost nobody parks along this section of Carlisle out of
reasonable concern for the well-being of their vehicles.  The key is not
making Lead and Coal 2-way streets.  What is needed is more APD officers
enforcing our traffic laws.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Thomas Simic via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

> I think it would be a big mistake and put more cars on these streets since
> they will be traveling in both directions. Besides, what happens at
> Washington when the road. changes to Zuni?
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> ------ Original message------
> *From: *Susan Michie via Neighbors_n...
> *Date: *Mon, Sep 12, 2016 2:03 PM
> *To: *Stephen Mullens;Anderson Robert;
> *Cc: *bluet-78504 at mypacks.net;Hill Nob;
> *Subject:*Re: [Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics
>
> The primary problem here appears to be the double lane one-way streets
> that are now straight and thus, provide good opportunity for racing. What
> do neighbors who live on these streets think about changing both Lead and
> Coal into two-way streets? Which would eliminate racing and all the noise,
> etc. that goes with it. Just curious...S
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Stephen Mullens via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>
> *To:* Anderson Robert <citizen at comcast.net>
> *Cc:* bluet-78504 at mypacks.net; Hill Nob <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.
> swcp.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2016 9:14 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics
> Good stuff. Bob. Thank you.> On Aug 29, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Anderson Robert
> via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:>
> > Thanks Dave for this useful information.  As Juan points out, the data
> show the accidents with severe injuries are more as perhaps the number
> total accidents may be less.  I say perhaps as this data is probably
> incomplete because some people will settled between themselves rather than
> report it.  Or, how do we chart like the day I was almost killed at the
> corner in my yard trimming weeds by a car that spun backwards out of
> control in a run-the N/S stop sign collision, with a car stopping inches
> behind me in just seconds with the read bumper on my legs.  Yes, I have a
> personal stake in safety on this roadway.  The latest collision here that
> spun out went through my yard wall headed toward the bed room where my
> girls sleep.  The wall is in the process of being rebuilt.  One night I had
> two cars nose to bumper in my yard against the both having jumped over a
> large set of boulders to prevent this kind of thing.
> >
> > After watching this section for 13 years now, before and after the
> rebuild of Lead/Coal, I think there are several things that could be done.
> >
> > Carlisle and Coal (maybe at Lead too) is a death trap.  A reasonable
> proposal would be that the Coal/Carlisle intersection should be a flashing
> red in all directions, all stop.  This would help stop the drag racing from
> Girard to Bryn Mawr and Carlisle by those trying to beat the lights.  The
> light at Bryn Mawr should be removed or a 4 way stop also.  I can see no
> purpose the one at Bryn Mawr serves other than to give the go start signal
> for drag racing from Girard to Carlisle.  I have seen APD cars cruise this
> section of Coal and drivers are nice then, but once they are not seen it is
> open season for racing and high performance driving show off driving. One
> way this could be tamed too would be to have and strongly enforce a "silent
> neighborhood" ordnance on vehicles with no mufflers or with the racing
> exhausts (another motorcycle just zoom by blasting away the silence in my
> office), I can hear it tearing out of Carlisle.
> >
> > The accidents I see on this section are probably along with injuries
> also more in total cost vehicle damage.  My adopted mother was almost a
> kill turning off Lead south on Richmond.  Two cars were destroyed.  That
> intersection is usually blocked by both the telephone switch boxes out near
> the sidewalk/street to the east and on the west by residents parking large
> SUV on the turn-in side.  One has to come to a full stop on Lead to turn
> onto Richmond if there is a vehicle stopped with its nose out in the
> traffic lane at the north direction stop sign.  The residents on the west
> corner have lots of photos of cars rolled over in their yard, up against
> signs and the trees (which have never been replaced), etc.
> >
> > Richmond going south at Coal has the almost same problem due to the poor
> design that has been inherited by legacy zoning that allows people to build
> tall walls blocking visibility to the west.  Large brush growing there also
> compounds the problem as drivers have to pull way out past the pedestrian
> walk zone to see the traffic.
> >
> > No modern designer would build streets like this with the N/S flow
> pattern but A.R.T. is doing that and as a result is only going to make for
> more and worse crashes, imo with the increased traffic flow.  I even see
> big semi size trucks on Coal probably trying to make local deliveries on
> Central.  Something has to be done about the N/S and line of sight problems
> on this section.  I have some proposals on that problem too…
> >
> > Bob
> > (corner of Coal and Richmond concerned homeowner)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2016, at 4:34 PM, bluet-78504--- via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Dave,
> >
> > The speed limit was reduced from 35 to 30 and accidents with injuries go
> up by double digits. It will be interesting (entertaining) to hear the
> speed limit reduction apologists make excuses for this. Scientific facts
> are much more valuable for a reasoned discussion than opinions.
> >
> > Juan
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Neighbors,
> >>
> >> After much discussion in the early part of this year about the frequency
> >> of accidents along the Nob Hill Neighborhood corridor of Lead and Coal,
> >> I asked our APD crime prevention representative, Laura Kuehn, for some
> >> information about this.
> >>
> >> At our May crime prevention and safety meeting, Commander Griego, APD
> >> Southeast Command, presented those statistics. I scanned them and
> >> uploaded them to our web site:
> >>
> >> http://www.nobhill-nm.com/traffic-accidents-leadcoal-112013-4302016/
> >>
> >> Dave Dixon
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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