[Neighbors] Neighbors_nobhill-nm Digest, Vol 70, Issue 13

Sun Dec 31 12:51:04 MST 2017

My suggestion to the speed, accident, take down of trees, sign, shrubs, walls, lights, etc. on Lead and Coal is to have the city do just like what they did on Rio Grande in the North Valley - one lane in each direction, widen the bicycle lanes and slow the speed to 25 MPH.

Isaac Benton was involved in the narrowing of lanes on Rio Grande.  Let him initiate this on Lead and Coal.  One lane in each direction will piss drivers off enough to get them off both streets.

Pat Davis needs to make this happen.

Sent from Robert's iPhone
Why fit in when you were born to stand out - Dr Suess

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>   1. Re: Christmas eve on Coal at Wellsely
>      (kingkb via Neighbors_nobhill-nm)
>   2. Re: Accident (Stephen Mullens via Neighbors_nobhill-nm)
>   3. Re: Accident (ronhalbgewachs via Neighbors_nobhill-nm)
>   4. Re: Christmas eve on Coal at Wellsely
>      (ronhalbgewachs via Neighbors_nobhill-nm)
>   5. Re: Accident (Judith Rapping via Neighbors_nobhill-nm)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:35:31 -0700
> From: kingkb via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
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> To: <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Christmas eve on Coal at Wellsely
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> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> What is "NIMBY'ers? 
> 
> Also, my two cents ~ 
> 
> I think the
> problem goes far beyond the design of the streets - manners are not what
> they used to be, people are overstimulated constantly as well as
> pressured by "must do, must be" and we have a big cultural shift
> occurring in which attitudes about others needs are severely altered. I
> wonder sometimes if the world will just be different (not in ways I
> particularly like) or if the current intensity and disruption of former
> "ways" will prove to be unsustainable. 
> 
> Karen 
> 
> On Dec 29 2017 10:00
> PM, Robert L Anderson via Neighbors_nobhill-nm wrote: 
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>> Juan, 
>> 
>> 
> That is an interesting article on the Nav Apps. Thanks for bringing it
> to our attention. Our neighborhood is being destroyed by the traffic
> problems that as you say are more than just Lead/Coal. It is system,
> city wide and all over the country. I guess if we can't get any large
> thinking going we have to fight as NIMBYs to save what little we have
> left. It is clear to me the ones in charge during the last city
> administration had some other ideas in mind than what is needed. I have
> been here 15 years and see great harm coming from all the lack of
> transportation planning and concern for neighborhoods like ours. I am
> for check points or something ... 
>> 
>> Lately I have noticed more for
> sale signs on homes on the corners and near-corners of Lead/Coal
> streets. This fleeing is only going to benefit the real estate industry,
> imo. What was once a pretty stable neighborhood is slowly being replaced
> by rentals and in and out families. I suspect a corporation like
> McDonald's will soon acquire a corner property on Lead/Coal and put in a
> food outlet here-about. 
>> 
>> I find it ironic the city planners have
> stopped many left turns off Central but do nothing about the cross
> street traffic on Lead/Coal which has long been a big part of the
> problem. 
>> 
>> I have experienced another aspect of the changing times
> too. Several times now I have been early on the scene of some of the
> auto crashes out side my house and nearby. In doing this I have been
> threatened and seen some of the most selfish behavior in drivers who do
> not stop to offer help or block traffic from going through crash sites.
> I have had drivers coming up on the horrible scenes get out of their car
> cursing people whose car has broken axels or wheels missing to move out
> of the road way. I saw a man come up the other night and get out and
> move the bumper of one of the disabled cars over to the side so he could
> pass through with injured people all around. I was pushed around once by
> several drivers as I tried to redirect traffic to turn left or right as
> others were administering aid to the injured in the cars. One man got in
> my face with clenched fists and cursed me as his wife drove to push me
> out of the way with her car and later a commercial truck driver pushed
> me with his big truck to get into and past the accident site. The
> traffic is creating situations were drivers are becoming dangerous even
> if they are not in the accident. Beware, it is not safe to come on one
> of these sites and try to help. One time we had to call 911 to get help
> from a driver threatening the driver of a broken crash car to move it
> out of the street. What we are seeing is just not accidents from
> in-proper planning but the emergence of people from out of the area who
> have no sense of community or social responsibility. 
>> 
>> Bob 
>> 
>> On
> Dec 28, 2017, at 10:10 AM, J. Smith via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
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>> Speaking of
> neighborhood traffic ills, there's an interesting story in the Dec 24th
> New York Times N.Y. / Region Section: Navigation Apps Are Turning Quiet
> Neighborhoods Into Traffic Nightmares.
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>> CABQ is not alone in failing to manage/account for traffic
> patterns on a system-wide basis. What's new here is that the NIMBY'ers
> are convincing towns and villages to actually block outside through
> traffic. This could bring the problem cascading to many neighborhoods,
> rather than address the root cause.
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>> Juan
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> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:25:22 -0700
> From: Stephen Mullens via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
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> To: Thomas Simic <tomsimic at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Accident
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> I don?t understand why people violate the road signs/lights.
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>> On Dec 30, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Thomas Simic via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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>> Another accident with injuries at Carlisle & Coal
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
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> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 08:10:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: ronhalbgewachs via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
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> To: Stephen Mullens <mullens.stephen at gmail.com>,    Thomas Simic
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> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 11:34:45 -0700
> From: Judith Rapping via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
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> To: Thomas Simic <tomsimic at hotmail.com>
> Cc: neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Accident
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> ...and, literally, just went by another 30 minutes ago.
> 
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> On Dec 30, 2017 12:10 PM, "Thomas Simic via Neighbors_nobhill-nm" <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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>> Another accident with injuries at Carlisle & Coal
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
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