[Neighbors] Neighborhood Meeting Request for 201 Hermosa NE

Thu Jun 24 11:45:19 MDT 2021

I would just point out that closing at 8pm is a pandemic adjustment at the
current location. There is no indication that would be the closing time at
the proposed location, or going forward at the current location.

Regardless, all of these issues should be discussed at the meeting, where
more concrete information will be available.

Greg

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 11:39 AM Peter Katel via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

> Thanks to you, Melinda. Yes, you are correct about patrons. But an 8 PM
> closing is certain to sharply reduce problematic behavior. What cops say is
> that the bad stuff tends to happen after 10 PM.
>
> Peter
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> Peter Katel
> Albuquerque, NM
> 202-431-9022
> Skype peter.katel
> katel.peter at gmail.com
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> On Jun 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Rozy Dog <gmk at rozydog.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Peter. It’s not the bar I’m concerned about. It’s irresponsible
> disrespectful patrons that are the issue. No business can guarantee
> respectful behavior of patrons once they leave the establishment.
>
> Melinda Rand MA
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> On Jun 24, 2021, at 10:38 AM, Peter Katel via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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>  I, who also live just off Lomas, agree with Mark. Blaming pandemic and
> post-pandemic (I hope it’s post) behavior on bars and soon-to-be-opened
> weed stores seems too facile to me. Apart from the pandemic, ART created a
> lot of what we’re talking about. I wish it could be torn up, but that
> doesn’t seem practical.
>
> That said, not all bars are alike, and if they don’t serve food, there is
> good reason to be cautious. I don’t know High and Dry, but I’ll take Mark’s
> word that they’ve behaved like responsible neighbors. If I read the
> announcement correctly, a restaurant will remain on the site, which is a
> point in High and Dry’s favor.
>
> Peter
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> Peter Katel
> Albuquerque, NM
> 202-431-9022
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> katel.peter at gmail.com
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> On Jun 24, 2021, at 10:05 AM, MARK CLEVELAND via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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> Unfortunately, loud, fast cars and motorcycles are not unique to this
> neighborhood or city: this is an increasing problem across the country,
> especially it seems, exacerbated during the pandemic lockdown. Folks
> seemingly want to bust out. I live just off Lomas and in 20 years, I’ve
> never seen it like it has been since early last year. In my careful
> opinion, it has nothing to do with “drinking places,” most of which were
> closed for much of last year. High and Dry--this applicant--has had a very
> respectful presence at their current location in the neighborhood just east
> of Washington and Lomas for a number of years. This isn’t like downtown and
> granting licenses to brew pubs is nothing like creating a zone of strip
> clubs, like we have downtown.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Mark Cleveland
>
> On Jun 24, 2021, at 9:32 AM, Robert L Anderson <citizen at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> I agree with Lucille’s comments.  All these drinking places I believe have
> attracted to the streets of our neighborhood the racing and loud vehicles
> that care nothing about the people living here.  They just zoom up and down
> our streets at dangerous speeds.  It has gotten worse and worse in the near
> 20 years I have lived here.  I see this kind of business not as an asset
> but a part of the decline of our community.  We have now the legal drug
> trade and the war makers setting up shops here.  It seems we are we
> becoming a neighborhood for bombs, booze and drugs.  I say we stop this
> erosion of our neighborhood.
> Bob
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> On Jun 23, 2021, at 5:24 AM, lucille Torres via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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> It seems like a reoccurring theme with businesses that can survive in Nob
> Hill now. One of the realizations I've had being on the NH B.O.D. is that
> the residents are caught between a rock and a hard place.  None of us want
> to see empty buildings on Central and we cherish our businesses. We are
> deeply saddened by those that couldn't survive high rents during ART and
> certainly got destroyed during Covid -19 .
>
> Many of us continue to live in Nob Hill because of the hope of a return to
> the variety of businesses that existed at one time here. Quaint shops, etc.
>  Parking is a major problem!!! patrons spill over into the neighborhoods.
> Our B.O.D. continues to explore solutions for parking.  I have been
> conflicted in supporting any type of liquor license without food being
> offered. The part that disturbs me the most is what will happen to Nob Hill
> when every empty building is filled with Bars and Recreational Marijuana
> shops?   Is this what we as a community want to see?
>
> Flora has lived through many changes in Nob Hill and has witnessed its
> erosion.  She is 100 percent correct!  The more bars we accept coupled with
> the Recreational cannabis coming soon, is a recipe for disaster.  Mental
> Impairment causes disruption on all levels to neighborhoods.
> Many owners of Businesses in Nob Hill do not live in Nob Hill which at
> times creates a disconnect between residents and businesses.
> And as for homelessness,  It is already here and we deal with it on a
> daily basis hoping our approval of funding to remedy this problem will
> someday help those who are down and out.  It's heartbreaking.
>
> I will continue to vote my conscious and support a variety of well rounded
> businesses for Nob Hill and will be cautious about giving credence to any
> industry that alters mental behavior which can negatively impact our
> Neighborhoods.  Ultimately, if dominance of these businesses continue, many
> long term neighbors will re-locate to family friendly neighborhoods.
>
> Lucille Torres-Long
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> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 08:29:19 PM MDT, Flora Silva <
> silva_f65 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> We chose to live in NH 49 yrs. ago with the expectation that businesses
> would remain on Central and not become encroachments in residential areas.
>
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 8:26:24 PM MDT, Flora Silva <
> silva_f65 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
> Good points, Melinda.
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> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 7:27:40 PM MDT, mike via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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> I agree with Greg and flora
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> Mike Gallegos, Attorney
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> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: MARK CLEVELAND via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>
> Date: 6/22/21 6:21 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: radams at rickyadams.com
> Cc: Michael Vos <vos at consensusplanning.com>, Melodie Eyster <
> meyster1 at me.com>, Neighbors Hill <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>, TheBoard
> NobHill-NM <theboard at nobhill-nm.com>
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Fwd: Neighborhood Meeting Request for 201
> Hermosa NE
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/201+Hermosa+NE?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> I’ve lived on Hermosa NE for 20+ years and remember when this neighborhood
> was vibrant, before the 2008 recession. The property is zoned for this;
> it’s an appropriate use. The “available” properties on Central are held by
> a handful of property moguls who, clearly, have no problem keeping places
> empty to prop up unsupportable rents in the current economy and especially
> given what ART has done to destroy Central. I think it’ll be a tough go for
> them at this location; but see no reason to deny them a use the property is
> intended for. I’m aware they are a responsible business. I support this
> application.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Cleveland
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Ricky Adams via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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> I fully support businesses.  The spaces on Central are over priced for
> this depressed economy.
>
> An empty building is bad.
>
> I support the location and will be present to support the businesses.
>
> Businesses are restricted to existing noise and business hour restrictions
> in Albuquerque.
>
> Don’t be scared.  Be supportive of businesses. It is better than homeless
> camps (which are coming soon near you).
>
> Ricky Adams
> 308 Aliso Dr SE
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/308+Aliso+Dr+SE?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> *From:* Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com> *On Behalf Of *Flora Silva
> via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 22, 2021 3:53 PM
> *To:* Greg Weirs <vgweirs at gmail.com>; Jen Kihm <jenkihm at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Neighbors Hill <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>; Melodie Eyster <
> meyster1 at me.com>; TheBoard NobHill-NM <theboard at nobhill-nm.com>; Michael
> Vos <vos at consensusplanning.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Neighbors] Fwd: Neighborhood Meeting Request for 201
> Hermosa NE
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/201+Hermosa+NE?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> I am not familiar with the business and will wait for the official call
> for service reports before commenting on this aspect of the application.
> The location is too close to residents; consider traffic, noise, and
> parking. I do agree it is encroaching into
> residents' areas.  For this reason, I would not support.
> Flora
>
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 3:38:01 PM MDT, Jen Kihm via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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> Current location is open from 2:00 - 8:00 PM daily. Just FYI.
> Jen Kihm
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> On Jun 22, 2021, at 2:04 PM, Greg Weirs via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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> 
> On the proposed dates, I think the holiday weekend would reduce
> participation at the meeting, so should be pushed back. Failing that, I
> would prefer July 1.
>
> On the application itself, I am concerned that a high volume business with
> evening operating hours would encroach heavily on the residents living
> literally next door and 50ft across the street. I support the business but
> not at that location.
>
> Greg
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:43 AM Melodie Eyster via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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> Nob hill friends and neighbors, I am forwarding this notice that we just
> received. I have discussed it with our vice president and we can see
> benefit in asking for a facilitated meeting with the applicant.
> I would ask the community if you agree and do the dates the applicant has
> offered look OK? Our association would not make a decision at that time but
> at our board meeting immediately before the ZHE hearing.
> Also, we would like to get the word out to those in the nearby residences.
> That could well involve a flyer because of course they’re not all on this
> email list.
>
> Please reply to me or to all with your ideas. We will probably try to get
> together a decision in the next couple days. Kind regards, Gary
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
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> *From:* Michael Vos <Vos at consensusplanning.com>
> *Date:* June 21, 2021 at 7:21:29 PM MDT
> *To:* Gary and Melodie Eyster <meyster1 at me.com>, david at halflifedigital.com
> , info at willsonstudio.com, Mandy Warr <mandy at theremedydayspa.com>
> *Cc:* Jim Strozier <cp at consensusplanning.com>
> *Subject:* *Neighborhood Meeting Request for 201 Hermosa NE
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/201+Hermosa+NE?entry=gmail&source=g>*
>
> 
>
> Good evening Nob Hill Neighbors,
>
>
> This email is notice that Consensus Planning is preparing an application
> for a Conditional Use Approval to be submitted for review by the Zoning
> Hearing Examiner (ZHE) to allow a “*taproom or tasting room*” within an
> MX-L (Mixed-use Low Intensity) zone district.
>
>
> The subject property is located at the northwest corner of Copper Avenue
> and Hermosa Drive NE. The Applicant, High and Dry Brewery is excited to
> propose a public house as their second location in the eastern building on
> the property, which was most recently used as a tattoo parlor. There is
> also a restaurant located on the site. Attached are a conceptual site plan
> and building renderings and additional information about this request. The
> primary change to the site will be the addition of a patio on the south and
> east sides of the building.
>
>
> We would like to submit our application to the ZHE on Tuesday, July 6th for
> a public hearing on August 17th. To meet this schedule, we are proposing
> a possible neighborhood meeting to discuss this project with your
> Associations on either *Thursday, July 1st* or *Monday, July 5th*. We
> hope one of these days works for you. Please let me know which works best.
> If you determine there is not a need to meet, please also let me know, so
> we can proceed with our application. We are also happy to present at
> additional meetings after making our application.
>
>
> We appreciate your consideration of this request and look forward to
> working with you throughout our application process.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> *Michael Vos, AICP *
>
> *CONSENSUS PLANNING, INC.*
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