[Neighbors] Tent in Alley, This is how it starts. Fwd: Neighbors_nobhill-nm Digest, Vol 143, Issue 19
Ciaran Lithgow
ciaranlithgow at gmail.com
Wed Jan 31 12:25:01 MST 2024
I recommend reaching out to Albuquerque Community Safety
<https://www.cabq.gov/acs/> (ACS), a new division at the City of
Albuquerque. They are specifically tasked with responding to non-life
threatening social issues, including mental health crises, homelessness,
encampments, overdoses, etc. They have a trauma-informed and resource-based
approach to handling our homeless neighbors on the street. They
are much better equipped to handle these situations than cops are, since
(as someone earlier pointed out) cops are really asked to be everything in
our community, but don't always receive the necessary training. This helps
lower the burden on police and offers our homeless neighbors with
connections to treatment, shelter, and other resources they need. When you
call 911, our dispatchers are now trained to determine whether APD or ACS
should be the ones to respond. Calling 311 or 242-COPS for non-emergency
situations will also get you connected to ACS.
Doug Small is the Public Information Officer for Albuquerque Community
Safety: dougsmall at cabq.gov . He is probably the best resource to connect
with to get someone from ACS to talk to the board and hear the
neighborhood's concerns.
It's heartening to hear so many people mobilized to solve the issue of
homelessness. I think we'd all be stronger if we had neighbors in homes,
instead of neighbors on streets. I hope this conversation continues to be
productive. When lots of people care, and when lots of people dedicate
their time and effort to improving our lives and our
community's prosperity, I believe we can really get things done. I'd like
to end by sharing a quote:
“There comes a point where we need to stop just pulling people out of the
> river. We need to go upstream and find out why they’re falling in.” *Desmond
> Tutu*
Ciaran Lithgow
ciaranlithgow at gmail.com
(818) 398-1182
On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 11:42 AM Sally Beers via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
> Great idea to have a meeting specially for this. Thanks Gary.
>
> I would like to attend the meeting and learn what I can do to mitigate
> this problem.
>
> Could we invite our new district 6 commissioner, Nicole Rogers? I have
> spoken to cops at "cops and coffee" recently
> and they expressed that their hands are tied.
>
> Could we invite city pros who work with drug addicted and mental cases?
>
> Thanks much,
> Sally
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 11:28:07 AM MST, Dennis P Trujillo via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
>
> As I mentioned earlier, someone from Sandia Labs, if we can agree that
> this is a security issue. I know it seems a bit far fetched, but our
> elected officials are unable to get a handle on this national problem.
> Maybe think outside of the box. “ For more than 70 years
> <https://www.sandia.gov/70-ways/>, Sandia has delivered essential science
> and technology to resolve the nation’s most challenging security issues.”
>
> On Jan 31, 2024, at 10:35 AM, Patricia Browne Hirschl via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> Super idea …. YEs would attend...
>
> On Jan 31, 2024, at 10:24, Gary Eyster via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> Friends and Neighbors,
> This thread makes it clear the topic is of great concern.
> Your board meets this Tuesday, Feb. 6. I am attaching the agenda as it
> stands today. All are welcome.
>
> I propose adding an item to the effect of: Should NHNA set up an evening
> event (like the one last week on Public Safety) to explore homeless issues
> in Nob Hill? If so who should we invite for a panel?
> Tuesday night would not be the event itself but the time to decide if we
> want to organize an event, what to call it, who to invite.
> Is this the right question?
> Would you participate?
> Who should we invite?
>
> #VivaNobHill
> Gary Eyster, President of the Board
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>
> *From:* Neighbors_nobhill-nm [
> mailto:neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com
> <neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com>] *On Behalf Of *Mark
> McCart via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 31, 2024 8:55 AM
> *To:* Dennis Trujillo <dptrujillo at gmail.com>; Mike P. <
> moonpie785 at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Nob Hill <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Neighbors] Tent in Alley, This is how it starts. Fwd:
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm Digest, Vol 143, Issue 19
>
> The problem with the homeless problem is that it's not one problem with a
> "one size fits all" solution.
>
> The homeless population includes --
> -- folks working multiple jobs just to get by who get a rent increase they
> can't afford
> -- working folks who are uninsured who get sick and then have major
> medical bills and/or lose their job
> -- working folks who have their job eliminated if their employer closes or
> moves elsewhere
> -- good folks who were injured and got addicted to painkillers (thank you
> Sackler scum)
> -- folks who are addicted otherwise
> -- mentally ill folks
> -- others I've probably missed
>
> We need different solutions for different situations.
>
> We also can't expect the police to do everything. We ask them to catch
> thieves and murders, be marriage and drug counselors, write traffic
> tickets, and many other things. Lots of very different skill sets there.
>
> Should we allow tent cities to pop up anywhere -- no. But let's not
> demonize an entire group due to the actions of a few.
>
> Less snark, please.
>
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 08:37:33 AM MST, Mike P. via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you Robert and Dennis, but let's keep things realistic we don't need
> emails speaking in platitudes. The people whose homes surround this tent
> have lost value in their homes and have to worry about security. No one
> will want to buy or rent a home where a tent is in their back alley.
> Especially women and families with children.
>
> But I have a solution. Rob and Dennis, what's your addresses? I'll tell
> the person in the tent that he can live and poop and pee in your yard. I'm
> serious. And when they start screaming at you, cursing you out, starting a
> fire that could destroy your property, breaking into your home, please
> provide an update on how things are going.
>
> Yes, we all want to help homeless people, but "poor luck?" Can we please
> stop absolving many of these people of ANY responsibility for how they got
> where they are? It's one bad choice after another (I'm not speaking of the
> mentally ill, we should absolutely help those people).
>
> We absolutely need more decent police officers and I am so very thankful
> for the decent ones that do their best in a very difficult job.
>
> Here's what I do not see. I do not see WHO on the Nob Hill board is
> responsible for walking around our neighborhood and noting these violations
> and reporting them to 311. Who is that person? Do they need help? My
> wife and I are offering.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 10:34 PM Dennis Trujillo <dptrujillo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your response Robert. It is a complex problem that seems to
> have no easy solution. In your first paragraph, you reference our “war
> based city,” part of the military industrial complex. There is a high
> concentration of very smart folks at Sandia Lab and other military
> facilities, whose engineering expertise might be redirected to the issue of
> homelessness as a national security issue. Knowledge, wisdom and compassion
> are needed to help solve this growing national problem. Thanks again for
> redirecting our thoughts from simple knee jerk reactions to a search for
> real solutions.
> D
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2024, at 9:51 PM, Robert L Anderson via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> I would hope that people in our community realize that the Wall Street
> economy and war based city we live in does not work for everyone,
> especially those with poor luck and disabilities. Reports of economic
> recovery only refers to the upper classes and high-tech income levels. For
> most of us it has no real bearing, for some it means more problems.
>
> I would like to see our community put pressure on the city for some extra
> special outreach with help for the people who might be living in tents in
> alleys instead of calling for police actions. As we have seen this does
> not solve the problem of the class divide around us. As you know from
> reports in the paper tearing down the tents only makes the un-housed move
> to someplace else.
>
> What our community needs is more help for the un-housed, not more cops.
> The city needs to admit this is a problem that is going to be with us
> awhile and open more on location centers to reach out to these people and
> help them with whatever they need, right here in Nob Hill.
>
> The present solution is to trash the tents, a home to some, take their
> personal property, and ship people out to an old jail by Double Eagle
> Airport. Would you want to go a place like that? You know, out of
> sight-out of mind. That plan has been a failure. People who want a little
> dignity and care don’t want to be put in old prison by a sewage treatment
> plant. The Lovelace facility on Gibson is an attempt but is not large
> enough nor targeted for the seriously unhoused population who are all over
> the city.
>
> A good place to start would be to contact with a positive plan would be
> our city councilor and the mayor.
> Here are their email addresses:
>
> Keller Mayor Tim <mayorkeller at cabq.gov>
> "Rogers, Nichole L." <nrogers at cabq.gov>
>
> Regards.
> Bob Anderson
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________
>
> On Jan 29, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Drew via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> Hello neighbors,
>
> The moment I see an encampment, I report it on the *ABQ 311 *app.
>
> I recommend everyone download it and use it for graffiti, damaged street
> signs, streetlight outages, abandoned shopping carts, needles, and of
> course, encampments.
>
>
>
> It's very fast and convenient to use, I can have something reported in
> under a minute, no waiting on the phone.
>
> Best,
>
> Drew
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 8:01 AM Mike P. via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> Good morning,
>
> Thank you Gary for your response below. Please see the attached photos.
> It's a tent behind a law firm on Wellesley (right near Central). Further
> to my email below about our preparation in Nob Hill if homeless start
> putting up tents everywhere, we saw this tent in the alley on Wellesley
> this Saturday. We told our Portland friends and they said this is exactly
> how it starts. There should not be any camping in any alley way (it's
> illegal and it's dangerous and it brings down property values of any home
> nearby) in our neighborhood. Who in our neighborhood association reports
> this to the police or the business? If you need help my wife and I would
> like to help. We are truly concerned that we are not focused on this issue
> as much as we should be and by the time we get focused on it it will be too
> late. If homeless people in vans/RV's take over our parks and alleys no
> new business will come and it will hurt the businesses that are here in Nob
> Hill. We can have compassion and not allow the homeless to ruin our
> neighborhood.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mike P.
>
>
>
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> 1. Public Safety in Nob Hill (Gary Eyster)
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> 3. Re: Public Safety in Nob Hill (Weiser Dan)
> 4. Re: Public Safety in Nob Hill, Locking mailboxes (Gary Eyster)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 16:53:07 -0700
> From: "Gary Eyster" <meyster1 at me.com>
> To: "'Mike P.'" <moonpie785 at gmail.com>, <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>
> Subject: [Neighbors] Public Safety in Nob Hill
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> All very good points. Thanks for the dialogue.
>
> As you see in the thread below we had a good discussion with APD CMDR Ray
> Del Greco this week. 40 neighbors participated.
>
>
>
> One of our directors, Daniel Carlos, is energizing our Public Safety
> Committee.
>
> You will see an announcement from him in the next couple weeks about a
> meeting of his committee.
>
> PLEASE, all neighbors, come out and give him a hand with this important
> work!
>
>
>
> Gary L. Eyster
>
> President, Nob Hill Neighborhood Association
>
> (505)991-1388
>
> meyster1 at me.com <mailto:meyster1 at me.com>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
> From: Neighbors_nobhill-nm [mailto:
> neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com] On Behalf Of Mike P. via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 11:28 AM
> To: neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Homeless; Neighbors_nobhill-nm Digest, Vol 143,
> Issue 15
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Neighbors,
>
>
>
> Thank you John for pointing this out. My wife and I are growing
> increasingly concerned that our neighborhood is not prepared to combat
> homeless people or people who want to park and live out of their vans on
> our Nob Hill streets as if it was a campground. We need to pay attention
> to this issue, because a nightmare happened to our friends in Portland who
> bought a beautiful home in a neighborhood like ours. There is not anyone
> who wants a camper van (usually a piece of garbage) parked in front of
> their home where the occupants empty their poop and pee on the street.
> This happened to our friends and they lost hundreds of thousands on their
> home when they finally had to move. We are in SW Nob Hill and we are
> noticing camper vans in driveways and on the streets, and I'm sorry, but no
> commercial vehicle or camping van/trailer should be parked in anyone's
> driveway and definitely not on the street. I'm watching as other
> associations in other cities make rules regarding this a!
> nd I think we should also. Homeless people living in their vans on our
> streets should be a real concern also and let's not wait until it's a real
> problem and then it's too difficult to fix. All huge RV's and camper vans
> on streets and parked in front yards do is bring down our property values.
> And trust our friends from Portland, once it gets out of hand, and this can
> happen very quickly, it's difficult to fix. Get those homeless people out
> of Wellesley and Silver now. Contact that owner and get them out of there
> and if he/she doesn't respond, call the city. Next they will stop living
> outside and start occupying houses for sale, houses where there is a
> seasonal owner. There is no embellishment here, this could easily happen
> here if we do not get on top of this issue.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> 1. Re: 300 block of Montclaire NE (JOHN ALBERTY)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 08:32:40 -0700 (MST)
> From: JOHN ALBERTY <johnalberty at comcast.net <mailto:
> johnalberty at comcast.net> >
> To: Greg Weirs <vgweirs at gmail.com <mailto:vgweirs at gmail.com> >, Greg
> Weirs via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
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> lisalopez0511 at gmail.com <mailto:lisalopez0511 at gmail.com>
> Cc: BJ Hartford <bjdragonfly1 at gmail.com <mailto:bjdragonfly1 at gmail.com> >,
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> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] 300 block of Montclaire NE
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> I was out of town over much of the holidays and My neighbor just contacted
> me about a homeless encampment on the property on Silver and Wellesley.
> Currently owned by Mr. Earnest Cohen and supposedly managed by Consensus
> Planning INC. My concern is to how that property is being managed if the
> encampment was allowed to be set up there in the first place. It doesn't
> speak very well for the current owner as to his concerns for the
> neighborhood. I hadn't read any news about this situation from other
> neighbors so am writing this to see if anyone has any information. Thanks.
> John Alberty
>
> > On 01/21/2024 11:11 PM MST Greg Weirs via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Lisa,
> >
> > In short, yes, APD is working to reduce crime in our area, and yes,
> there are additional things we can do as residents. It turns out that the
> NHNA is hosting an outreach meeting with several speakers from APD on
> resources for public safety and crime prevention on Tuesday, January 23rd,
> 6:30pm, at Monte vista Christian Church.
> >
> https://www.nobhill-nm.com/news/special-membership-meeting-on-public-safety-and-bylaws-amendments/
> > This is an excellent opportunity to have all your questions answered.
> Bring your neighbors!
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 2:06?PM lisalopez0511--- via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> mailto:
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi neighbors
> > > One of my neighbors had his storage broken into 2 nights in a row.
> One of the break ins was at 730 in the evening. They took some really
> expensive tools / power equipment. The scary part is that they came back
> a second time. On the same block of Montclaire a vehicle was stolen in
> the same week.
> > > This is very concerning. Other than vandalism I?ve never heard of
> this many incidents in one week on the same block.
> > > Please be vigilant
> > > Also. Any idea if APD is doing anything to reduce crime in our area
> or are we just to fend for ourselves?
> > >
> > > Lisa Lopez
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > 505 515 6334 (M)
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> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 19:04:45 -0700
> From: Meta Hirschl <metaji.prajna at gmail.com>
> To: Gary Eyster <meyster1 at me.com>
> Cc: "Mike P." <moonpie785 at gmail.com>, neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Public Safety in Nob Hill
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> Thank you to the leadership for organizing such a terrific meeting.
> Especially thank you to Lucille for the delish and healthy food. We are so
> lucky!
> Meta.
>
> Meta Hirschl
> *There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there
> must never be a time when we fail to protest.* -Elie Wiesel
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 5:22?PM Gary Eyster via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> > All very good points. Thanks for the dialogue.
> >
> > As you see in the thread below we had a good discussion with APD CMDR Ray
> > Del Greco this week. 40 neighbors participated.
> >
> >
> >
> > One of our directors, Daniel Carlos, is energizing our Public Safety
> > Committee.
> >
> > You will see an announcement from him in the next couple weeks about a
> > meeting of his committee.
> >
> > PLEASE, all neighbors, come out and give him a hand with this important
> > work!
> >
> >
> >
> > *Gary L. Eyster*
> >
> > *President, Nob Hill Neighborhood Association*
> >
> > *(505)991-1388*
> >
> > *meyster1 at me.com <meyster1 at me.com>*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Neighbors_nobhill-nm [mailto:
> > neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike P.
> via
> > Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2024 11:28 AM
> > *To:* neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [Neighbors] Homeless; Neighbors_nobhill-nm Digest, Vol
> > 143, Issue 15
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Neighbors,
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you John for pointing this out. My wife and I are growing
> > increasingly concerned that our neighborhood is not prepared to combat
> > homeless people or people who want to park and live out of their vans on
> > our Nob Hill streets as if it was a campground. We need to pay attention
> > to this issue, because a nightmare happened to our friends in Portland
> who
> > bought a beautiful home in a neighborhood like ours. There is not anyone
> > who wants a camper van (usually a piece of garbage) parked in front of
> > their home where the occupants empty their poop and pee on the street.
> > This happened to our friends and they lost hundreds of thousands on their
> > home when they finally had to move. We are in SW Nob Hill and we are
> > noticing camper vans in driveways and on the streets, and I'm sorry, but
> no
> > commercial vehicle or camping van/trailer should be parked in anyone's
> > driveway and definitely not on the street. I'm watching as
> > other associations in other cities make rules regarding this and I think
> we
> > should also. Homeless people living in their vans on our streets should
> be
> > a real concern also and let's not wait until it's a real problem and then
> > it's too difficult to fix. All huge RV's and camper vans on streets and
> > parked in front yards do is bring down our property values. And trust
> our
> > friends from Portland, once it gets out of hand, and this can happen very
> > quickly, it's difficult to fix. Get those homeless people out of
> Wellesley
> > and Silver now. Contact that owner and get them out of there and if
> he/she
> > doesn't respond, call the city. Next they will stop living outside and
> > start occupying houses for sale, houses where there is a seasonal owner.
> > There is no embellishment here, this could easily happen here if we do
> not
> > get on top of this issue.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: <neighbors_nobhill-nm-request at mailman.swcp.com>
> > Date: Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 12:00?PM
> > Subject: Neighbors_nobhill-nm Digest, Vol 143, Issue 15
> > To: <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>
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> > 1. Re: 300 block of Montclaire NE (JOHN ALBERTY)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 08:32:40 -0700 (MST)
> > From: JOHN ALBERTY <johnalberty at comcast.net>
> > To: Greg Weirs <vgweirs at gmail.com>, Greg Weirs via
> > Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>,
> > lisalopez0511 at gmail.com
> > Cc: BJ Hartford <bjdragonfly1 at gmail.com>, neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> > Subject: Re: [Neighbors] 300 block of Montclaire NE
> > Message-ID: <449135953.1466171.1706023960252 at connect.xfinity.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I was out of town over much of the holidays and My neighbor just
> contacted
> > me about a homeless encampment on the property on Silver and Wellesley.
> > Currently owned by Mr. Earnest Cohen and supposedly managed by Consensus
> > Planning INC. My concern is to how that property is being managed if the
> > encampment was allowed to be set up there in the first place. It doesn't
> > speak very well for the current owner as to his concerns for the
> > neighborhood. I hadn't read any news about this situation from other
> > neighbors so am writing this to see if anyone has any information.
> Thanks.
> > John Alberty
> >
> > > On 01/21/2024 11:11 PM MST Greg Weirs via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> > neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Lisa,
> > >
> > > In short, yes, APD is working to reduce crime in our area, and yes,
> > there are additional things we can do as residents. It turns out that the
> > NHNA is hosting an outreach meeting with several speakers from APD on
> > resources for public safety and crime prevention on Tuesday, January
> 23rd,
> > 6:30pm, at Monte vista Christian Church.
> > >
> >
> https://www.nobhill-nm.com/news/special-membership-meeting-on-public-safety-and-bylaws-amendments/
> > > This is an excellent opportunity to have all your questions answered.
> > Bring your neighbors!
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 2:06?PM lisalopez0511--- via
> > Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com mailto:
> > neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi neighbors
> > > > One of my neighbors had his storage broken into 2 nights in a row.
> > One of the break ins was at 730 in the evening. They took some really
> > expensive tools / power equipment. The scary part is that they came
> back
> > a second time. On the same block of Montclaire a vehicle was stolen in
> > the same week.
> > > > This is very concerning. Other than vandalism I?ve never heard of
> > this many incidents in one week on the same block.
> > > > Please be vigilant
> > > > Also. Any idea if APD is doing anything to reduce crime in our area
> > or are we just to fend for ourselves?
> > > >
> > > > Lisa Lopez
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Neighbors_nobhill-nm mailing list
> > > > Neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com mailto:
> > Neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
> > > >
> https://mailman.swcp.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/neighbors_nobhill-nm
> > > > This Message Sent To: vgweirs at gmail.com mailto:vgweirs at gmail.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Greg Weirs
> > > 505 515 6334 (M)
> > > vgweirs at gmail.com mailto:vgweirs at gmail.com
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> > --
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> > Greg Weirs
> >
> > 505 515 6334 (M)
> > vgweirs at gmail.com
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> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 10:10:06 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Weiser Dan <buddew7 at yahoo.com>
> To: Gary Eyster <meyster1 at me.com>, Meta Hirschl
> <metaji.prajna at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Mike P." <moonpie785 at gmail.com>, "neighbors at nobhill-nm.com"
> <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Public Safety in Nob Hill
> Message-ID: <763620776.881195.1706350206848 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Gary, et. all; Is their Special Lock Boxes we could get to secure our mail
> (letters) so transients walking through our neighborhoods do not take our
> mail or is the only solution; A UPS Store or similar service? ?Thanks for
> allowing me to add 1 Request I have dealt with in my neighborhood.
> Dan Weiser
>
> On Friday, January 26, 2024, 11:05:32 PM MST, Meta Hirschl via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you to the leadership for organizing such a terrific meeting.
> Especially thank you to Lucille for the delish and healthy food. We are so
> lucky!Meta.
>
> Meta HirschlThere may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice,
> but there must never be a time when we fail to protest.?-Elie Wiesel
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 5:22?PM Gary Eyster via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
>
> All very good points. Thanks for the dialogue.
>
> As you see in the thread below we had a good discussion with APD CMDR Ray
> Del Greco this week. 40 neighbors participated.
>
> ?
>
> One of our directors, Daniel Carlos, is energizing our Public Safety
> Committee.
>
> You will see an announcement from him in the next couple weeks about a
> meeting of his committee.
>
> PLEASE, all neighbors, ?come out and give him a hand with this important
> work!
>
> ?
>
> Gary L. Eyster
>
> President, Nob Hill Neighborhood Association
>
> (505)991-1388
>
> meyster1 at me.com
>
> ?
>
>
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> From: Neighbors_nobhill-nm [mailto:
> neighbors_nobhill-nm-bounces at mailman.swcp.com] On Behalf Of Mike P. via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 11:28 AM
> To: neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Homeless; Neighbors_nobhill-nm Digest, Vol 143,
> Issue 15
>
> ?
>
>
> ?
>
>
> Hello Neighbors,?
>
> ?
>
> Thank you John for pointing this out.? My wife and I are growing
> increasingly concerned that our neighborhood is not prepared to combat
> homeless people or people?who want to park and live out of their vans on
> our Nob Hill streets as if it was a campground.? We need to pay attention
> to this issue, because a nightmare happened to our friends in Portland who
> bought a beautiful home in a neighborhood like ours.? There is not anyone
> who wants a camper van (usually a piece of garbage) parked in front of
> their home where the occupants?empty their poop and pee on the street.?
> This happened to our friends and they lost hundreds of thousands?on their
> home when they finally had to move.? We are in SW Nob Hill ?and we are
> noticing camper vans in driveways and on the streets, and I'm sorry, but no
> commercial vehicle or camping van/trailer should be parked in anyone's
> driveway and definitely not on the street.? I'm watching as
> other?associations in other cities make rules regarding this a!
> nd I think we should also.? Homeless people living in their vans on our
> streets should be a real concern also and let's not wait until it's a real
> problem and then it's too difficult to fix.? All huge RV's and camper vans
> on streets and parked in front yards do is bring down our property values.?
> And trust our friends from Portland, once it gets out of hand, and this can
> happen very quickly, it's difficult to fix.? Get those homeless people out
> of Wellesley and Silver now.? Contact that owner and get them out of there
> and if he/she doesn't respond, call the city.? Next they will stop living
> outside and start occupying houses for sale, houses where there is a
> seasonal owner.? There is no embellishment here, this could easily happen
> here if we do not get on top of this issue.?
>
> ?
>
> Sincerely,?
>
> ?
>
> Mike
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
>
> ?
>
> From: <neighbors_nobhill-nm-request at mailman.swcp.com>
> Date: Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 12:00?PM
> Subject: Neighbors_nobhill-nm Digest, Vol 143, Issue 15
> To: <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>
>
>
>
> Send Neighbors_nobhill-nm mailing list submissions to
> ? ? ? ? neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
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> ? ? ? ?
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>
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> ? ? ? ? neighbors_nobhill-nm-request at mailman.swcp.com
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>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Neighbors_nobhill-nm digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> ? ?1. Re: 300 block of Montclaire NE (JOHN ALBERTY)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 08:32:40 -0700 (MST)
> From: JOHN ALBERTY <johnalberty at comcast.net>
> To: Greg Weirs <vgweirs at gmail.com>, Greg Weirs via
> ? ? ? ? Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>,
> ? ? ? ? lisalopez0511 at gmail.com
> Cc: BJ Hartford <bjdragonfly1 at gmail.com>, neighbors at nobhill-nm.com
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] 300 block of Montclaire NE
> Message-ID: <449135953.1466171.1706023960252 at connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I was out of town over much of the holidays and My neighbor just contacted
> me about a homeless encampment on the property on Silver and Wellesley.
> Currently owned by Mr. Earnest Cohen and supposedly managed by Consensus
> Planning INC. My concern is to how that property is being managed if the
> encampment was allowed to be set up there in the first place. It doesn't
> speak very well for the current owner as to his concerns for the
> neighborhood. I hadn't read any news about this situation from other
> neighbors so am writing this to see if anyone has any information. Thanks.
> John Alberty
>
> > On 01/21/2024 11:11 PM MST Greg Weirs via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
> >?
> >?
> >
> > Hi Lisa,
> >?
> > In short, yes, APD is working to reduce crime in our area, and yes,
> there are additional things we can do as residents. It turns out that the
> NHNA is hosting an outreach meeting with several speakers from APD on
> resources for public safety and crime prevention on Tuesday, January 23rd,
> 6:30pm, at Monte vista Christian Church.
> >
> https://www.nobhill-nm.com/news/special-membership-meeting-on-public-safety-and-bylaws-amendments/
> > This is an excellent opportunity to have all your questions answered.
> Bring your neighbors!
> >?
> > Greg
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 2:06?PM lisalopez0511--- via
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com mailto:
> neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi neighbors
> > > One of my neighbors had his storage broken into 2 nights in a row.?
> ?One of the break ins was at 730 in the evening.? ?They took some really
> expensive tools / power equipment.? ?The scary part is that they came back
> a second time.? ?On the same block of Montclaire a vehicle was stolen in
> the same week.
> > > This is very concerning.? ?Other than vandalism I?ve never heard of
> this many incidents in one week on the same block.
> > > Please be vigilant
> > > Also.? Any idea if APD is doing anything to reduce crime in our area
> or are we just to fend for ourselves?
> > >
> > > Lisa Lopez
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Neighbors_nobhill-nm mailing list
> > > Neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com mailto:
> Neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
> > > https://mailman.swcp.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/neighbors_nobhill-nm
> > > This Message Sent To: vgweirs at gmail.com mailto:vgweirs at gmail.com
> > >
> >
> >?
> > --
> > Greg Weirs
> > 505 515 6334 (M)
> > vgweirs at gmail.com mailto:vgweirs at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Neighbors_nobhill-nm mailing list
> > Neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
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>
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> ?
>
> --
>
> Greg Weirs
>
> 505 515 6334 (M)
> vgweirs at gmail.com
>
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> To: <neighbors at nobhill-nm.com>
> Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Public Safety in Nob Hill, Locking mailboxes
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