Hey Doug,

Absolutely agree!  The note about folks trying to stay protected along the awnings and shade along the sidewalks and then trying to dash out across the automobile lanes to catch the RT bus will be one huge mess1

At the design stage, I also asked how people might cross Central to get to the other side of the street.  Well, one way is to go down to the nearest traffic light and cross and walk back.  The other way is to cross into the center like we used to do with the median and wait for traffic from the other direction.  But the first casualty standing in the center lanes to cross the street will produce the only solution possible....chain link fence to keep people from getting into the center lanes.  Wow!  What a solution!   Won't that make Nob Hill attractive.

Ron Halbgewachs

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Lopez
Sent: Sep 26, 2017 3:42 PM
To: ronhalbgewachs
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] wCamels on Central Ave (aka ART)

Ron,

I told them they were full of it when they presented the design four years ago. They had no interest in any kind of compromise. People that don't live in the neighborhood know best what is good for us.

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On Sep 26, 2017, at 7:49 AM, ronhalbgewachs via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

Thank you Nancy!  Fought that battle about the historic neighborhood.

The Nob Hill Neighborhood Association was told the design was selected because it was to represent the snow capped mountains that we see!  What a crock!  Sure doesn't look like the Sandia or Manzano Mountains as far as I can see.  (Note: the design justification was word-for-word plagiarized from the justification used for the Denver Airport design.)

Ron Halbgewachs

-----Original Message----- d
From: Nancy Bearce
Sent: Sep 25, 2017 11:29 PM
To: Robert L Anderson
Cc: Adrian Carver , Ron Halbgewachs
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Camels on Central Ave (aka ART)

Robert, 

Yes and if I remember correctly, NHNA and others voiced their concerns about these 

bus shelters would not fit the historic nature of portions of Nob Hill.  And there were several 

meetings with the state historic preservation group about it.  The City said they were 

just examples of what could go up and designs would be flexible and they'd work with 

the neighborhoods.  

Just more lies ... 

Thank you for pointing it out, in case folks think neighbors wanted these unsightly 

shelters! 

Nancy Bearce

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 10:20 PM, Robert L Anderson via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm@mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

Those camel-back like structures on the rider islands in the middle of Central Ave will provide about as much shade in the hot summers or protection from wind (and maybe rain) as one would get holding an umbrella on a 30’ pole above your head.  Riders are going to seek shelter and weather protection on the sides of Central like before, not go stand out in the middle, until the last minute, creating another problem, imo.  This whole project is not about helping or promoting ridership. I hope there is enough money in the budget to take it all out in a few years and return Rt 66 to its historic nature.

Bob

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