[Neighbors] New liquor establishments

Fri Apr 15 20:30:40 MDT 2022

 This might be the wrong string of emails, but I need to respond to the parking string.
In my mind, we don't have a parking problem, we have a walking problem.
How many times have you gone to a big box store and seen someone waiting and waiting and waiting for someone to pull out of a parking spot closer to the door when they passed up multiple spots 20 feet behind them?  Lazy Americans (most of us) don't want to walk any farther than they have to.
I'm too old to go bar hopping on Saturday nights on Central, so can't speak to the parking situation then.  However, whenever I've driven west on Silver from Carlisle, there are always numerous street parking spots as well as multiple spots in the shopping center lot on Silver and the public lot on the next block west.
We don't need a parking garage costing millions that will be a security nightmare and lightly occupied much of the time.  What we do need to do is educate visitors to Nob Hill about where parking does exist.  Better street signage along Central indicating where parking is located.  Similar signs in businesses along Central, etc.
Finally, the two churches just south of Central and east of Carlisle have parking lots that are vacant 90% of the time.  I lived in Chicago for years.  Churches in congested areas there set up their lots as paid parking for the 6 days the lots were unused.  Why not do that here as well?  A win-win for all -- a revenue source for the churches and an additional supply of parking for the neighborhood.     

     On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 04:09:39 PM MDT, Scott Snyder via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:  

 Sorry if this isn't the best time or forum to discuss. Just tell me and I'll stop.
Bob, that's incredibly unfair commentary. Our association works tirelessly to ensure our little nook of town thrives. I just reviewed the most recent newsletter and the ratio of articles/information (not ads) is 13-5 in favor ones that have to do w residents (historic preservation, public safety, tree canopies, wildlife in your yard) vs businesses (cannabis retail, Lobo Theatre, Rt 66)
Many of us live smack dab in the vicinity of, maybe even right in the middle of, a business district. It was here long before most of us moved in and be here long after. Those businesses are as much our neighbors as residents. 
I empathize with your situation and opinions when this new business moves in. Many of us have lived through similar situations when a business moves in, expands, creates an outdoor space etc. But to say "...NNHA is not really about a residential neighborhood anymore but retail business, developers and those who are here to draw in outsiders for their profit." is just inaaccurate.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 5:34 PM ronhalbgewachs <ronhalbgewachs at peoplepc.com> wrote:

I tried for several years as president of NHNA to get the city to build a two level parking garage in one of our empty lots.  Could have parking meters.  The response from the city was that parking garages don't produce any income for the city!  Well, city streets don't produce income for the city but they do for shops, businesses, restaurants. Same would be true for the garage.

Ron Halbgewachs

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Subject: Re: [Neighbors] New liquor establishments

Thanks Bob. It’s gonna be interesting. Residents especially on LC are gonna have to hit this very hard if they want their safety protected.

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On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 2:01 PM, Robert L Anderson <citizen at comcast.net> wrote:

One of the things that comes out of this discussion is the contradictions that exist here.  Times and organizations have changed as Jeanne says.  NNHA is not really about a residential neighborhood anymore but retail business, developers and those who are here to draw in outsiders for their profit.  Perhaps a name change of NHNA is in order or another organization needs to split off representing the residents.  NHNA is an organization captured by those it is suppose to oversee. All this talk of parking and attracting outsiders here ignores completely the problems that exist for those of us long term residents who endure the crisis that exists with all this traffic using Lead and Coal and the north/south streets as routes to the Central Ave scene.  As a resident of the neighborhood this flood of drug and liquor outlets does not improve out quality of life at all as we endure the endless vehicle crashes, loud noise, drivers under the influence of something racing back and forth to and from Central Ave.  A.R.T. just compounded this for RESIDENTS and many pointed out the impact this would have but were ignored by city planners.  It is obvious A.R.T. was not about solving problems, it was just more gentrification, face it.  That is where we are now. Bob Anderson______________________________________

On Apr 13, 2022, at 1:24 PM, Scott Snyder via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
Thank you so much for your insight. I appreciate hearing from a business owner, especially non-retail, in the district vs some others including me who often think we know what's what.  ps - You should offer the fish and chips year round not just during Lent....just sayin' ;) 
On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 6:56 PM Jean Bernstein via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
All, 
As owner of Flying Star I have not weighed in on these licenses for new establishments because I believe Nob Hill needs new and fresh businesses to restart itself. But this restart will come at a price. 

I have mentioned before and will do so again - the real upcoming issue is NOT the alcohol served from these kinds of establishments - it is the parking. 
You all might remember that in advance of ART being built, the City reduced parking along our stretch of Central by about 30%. Even the long wished for crosswalk cost 4 parking spaces. 
In addition to the Social House on Bryn Mawr, the new Hi/Dry on Copper, the Bodega, there is M’Tuccis.  These places will be wildly popular and will draw from all over the city - at least on the weekends. None of these businesses are required to provide near enough of the parking they need - so, have you asked yourselves - where will patrons visiting the neighborhood park? 
Yes, there are about 15 - 20 spaces along Silver south of the shopping center, but other than that cars must fill up Silver and Copper (which they do already)and then spill into the side streets where you live.
This was an hot issue long ago - back when Nob Hill was VERY popular (it’s been a long time) Back then residents became angry at the increased volume of parkers and were working on having all the streets converted to restricted zones, or issue permit parking only. 
Doing this might solve the residents’ problems some, but without enough parking, the businesses will not thrive. And, even if everyone from the ‘hood strolls down to patronize these establishments, I can tell you from my own years of experience that all businesses in Nob Hill must have broader patronage and support from far beyond the neighborhood. And that takes cars. 
So, in the near future, getting some kind of parking project from the City to add spaces is, and has always been, a far off dream. In all my years, so little has been done to benefit the residents and the businesses. 
This parking will Please consider working together with the businesses and your neighbors to create l

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