[Awclist] Rio Chama

Mon Feb 27 22:16:54 MST 2012

You don't need a permit for the Monastery run.  400-500 cfs is rather low for that section of the river -- rather rocky.  More likely to hit a rock and flip at that level than at 800 cfs.  Deborah 
 > From: ty123 at comcast.net
> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:59:29 -0700
> To: steve.harris39 at gmail.com
> CC: h2opro801 at q.com; Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com; awclist at swcp.com
> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
> 
> I prefer 400-500 every day all summer long. Three big flow weekends  
> just to keep people off the rocks are bad for boaters who we not  
> lucky enough to score a permit. It keeps them off the river altogether.
> But then again, that is the purpose of a lottery.
> 
> Ty
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Steve Harris wrote:
> 
> > SARA and all:  Thanks for responding.  A couple of questions: Would it
> > make sense that these 3 weekend would aim toward 3 day holidays
> > (Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day) or avoid them?  What about the
> > idea of encouraging more weekday trips?  Is that impractical for most
> > ABQ boaters?
> >
> > Steve Harris
> > Rio Grande Restoration
> > HCR 69 Box 3-C
> > Embudo, NM 87531
> >
> > home/office: 575-751-1269
> > fax: same
> > Mobile: 575-770-2502
> >
> > steve.harris39 at gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 24, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Sara Traub wrote:
> >
> >> I also vote for 3 weekends at 800.
> >>
> >> Sara Traub
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 2/23/12, Robert Southwick
> >> <rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Robert Southwick <rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
> >> To: "'Wes Moore'" <Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com>, "'Tim Scofield'"  
> >> <timscofi5 at gmail.com
> >>>
> >> Cc: "'Frank Walsh'" <h2opro801 at q.com>, awclist at swcp.com
> >> Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 1:11 PM
> >>
> >> I second that - Celia Southwick
> >>
> >> From: awclist-bounces at swcp.com [mailto:awclist-bounces at swcp.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Wes Moore
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:40 AM
> >> To: Tim Scofield
> >> Cc: Frank Walsh; awclist at swcp.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
> >>
> >> 3 weekends at 800.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> Wes Moore
> >> VP/Partner/Sr. Loan Officer
> >> Superior Mortgage Services, LLC
> >> NMLS #205189
> >> (505) 249-4506 cell
> >> www.moore4yourmoney.com
> >>
> >> On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:16 PM, "Tim Scofield" <timscofi5 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I never received a response to the email below about flows.
> >>>
> >>> Given that the Bureau will try to have a flushing flow (hopefully
> >>> 5k in a good water year) in the spring, and a limited amount of
> >>> water, what release flows would you like to see later in the season
> >>> when there is minimal water in the Rio Grande? Would you rather
> >>> boat one weekend at 2400cfs or three weekends at 800cfs or 4
> >>> weekends at 600cfs? (Or some other flow level)
> >>>
> >>> Tim
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Tim Scofield
> >>> <timscofi5 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> The rafters that said that the trip went too fast above 1000 cfs
> >>> were private boaters from Colorado.
> >>>
> >>> I personally just spend more time exploring when the water's high.
> >>>
> >>> The way I see it, It's really a question of at what point would you
> >>> not bother going kayaking/rafting/canoeing assuming that the RIo
> >>> has already peaked and is down to a couple hundred. At what point
> >>> would you not bother to even go up to the Chama.
> >>>
> >>> There will be a weekend or two that get a peaking flow in the
> >>> spring to try to maintain a healthy ecosystem, but this section of
> >>> the Chama is below El Vado, and they're going to try to store as
> >>> much water as they can as high up as they can. So we're not going
> >>> to see really big flows like we've ocassionaly seen on the Rio
> >>> Grande. They doe have some storage in Abiqu lake, but it is
> >>> somewhat limited for various reasons.
> >>>
> >>> The question is would you rather boat one weekend at 2400cfs or
> >>> three weekends at 800cfs or 4 weekends at 600cfs. Assuming that
> >>> there's enough water for any releases at all.
> >>>
> >>> It's also problem if they don't keep at least 150 cfs in the river
> >>> at all times, which they sometimes don't, because the whole
> >>> ecosystem up there starts to suffer.
> >>>
> >>> Tim
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:32 PM, monica a. martin
> >>> <orangely at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> I think it's time to point out the commercial boater perspective:
> >>> many have had to boat this river with customers and their gear in
> >>> 14-15 foot rafts in the 200's.  This certainly isn't ideal.  Many
> >>> comfortably boat it at 500cfs.  If you get to do it at 1000cfs,
> >>> you've got it posh.  Anything above 600cfs works pretty nicely and
> >>> many of us find it enjoyable in work or play at this level.  Isn't
> >>> maneuvering around rocks part of what makes it interesting?
> >>>
> >>> Monica & Josh
> >>>
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