[Awclist] Rio Chama

Sat Feb 25 09:59:29 MST 2012

I prefer 400-500 every day all summer long. Three big flow weekends  
just to keep people off the rocks are bad for boaters who we not  
lucky enough to score a permit. It keeps them off the river altogether.
But then again, that is the purpose of a lottery.

Ty

On Feb 25, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Steve Harris wrote:

> SARA and all:  Thanks for responding.  A couple of questions: Would it
> make sense that these 3 weekend would aim toward 3 day holidays
> (Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day) or avoid them?  What about the
> idea of encouraging more weekday trips?  Is that impractical for most
> ABQ boaters?
>
> Steve Harris
> Rio Grande Restoration
> HCR 69 Box 3-C
> Embudo, NM 87531
>
> home/office: 575-751-1269
> fax: same
> Mobile: 575-770-2502
>
> steve.harris39 at gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Sara Traub wrote:
>
>> I also vote for 3 weekends at 800.
>>
>> Sara Traub
>>
>> --- On Thu, 2/23/12, Robert Southwick
>> <rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Robert Southwick <rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
>> To: "'Wes Moore'" <Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com>, "'Tim Scofield'"  
>> <timscofi5 at gmail.com
>>>
>> Cc: "'Frank Walsh'" <h2opro801 at q.com>, awclist at swcp.com
>> Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 1:11 PM
>>
>> I second that - Celia Southwick
>>
>> From: awclist-bounces at swcp.com [mailto:awclist-bounces at swcp.com] On
>> Behalf Of Wes Moore
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:40 AM
>> To: Tim Scofield
>> Cc: Frank Walsh; awclist at swcp.com
>> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
>>
>> 3 weekends at 800.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> Wes Moore
>> VP/Partner/Sr. Loan Officer
>> Superior Mortgage Services, LLC
>> NMLS #205189
>> (505) 249-4506 cell
>> www.moore4yourmoney.com
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:16 PM, "Tim Scofield" <timscofi5 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I never received a response to the email below about flows.
>>>
>>> Given that the Bureau will try to have a flushing flow (hopefully
>>> 5k in a good water year) in the spring, and a limited amount of
>>> water, what release flows would you like to see later in the season
>>> when there is minimal water in the Rio Grande? Would you rather
>>> boat one weekend at 2400cfs or three weekends at 800cfs or 4
>>> weekends at 600cfs? (Or some other flow level)
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Tim Scofield
>>> <timscofi5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The rafters that said that the trip went too fast above 1000 cfs
>>> were private boaters from Colorado.
>>>
>>> I personally just spend more time exploring when the water's high.
>>>
>>> The way I see it, It's really a question of at what point would you
>>> not bother going kayaking/rafting/canoeing assuming that the RIo
>>> has already peaked and is down to a couple hundred. At what point
>>> would you not bother to even go up to the Chama.
>>>
>>> There will be a weekend or two that get a peaking flow in the
>>> spring to try to maintain a healthy ecosystem, but this section of
>>> the Chama is below El Vado, and they're going to try to store as
>>> much water as they can as high up as they can. So we're not going
>>> to see really big flows like we've ocassionaly seen on the Rio
>>> Grande. They doe have some storage in Abiqu lake, but it is
>>> somewhat limited for various reasons.
>>>
>>> The question is would you rather boat one weekend at 2400cfs or
>>> three weekends at 800cfs or 4 weekends at 600cfs. Assuming that
>>> there's enough water for any releases at all.
>>>
>>> It's also problem if they don't keep at least 150 cfs in the river
>>> at all times, which they sometimes don't, because the whole
>>> ecosystem up there starts to suffer.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:32 PM, monica a. martin
>>> <orangely at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I think it's time to point out the commercial boater perspective:
>>> many have had to boat this river with customers and their gear in
>>> 14-15 foot rafts in the 200's.  This certainly isn't ideal.  Many
>>> comfortably boat it at 500cfs.  If you get to do it at 1000cfs,
>>> you've got it posh.  Anything above 600cfs works pretty nicely and
>>> many of us find it enjoyable in work or play at this level.  Isn't
>>> maneuvering around rocks part of what makes it interesting?
>>>
>>> Monica & Josh
>>>
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