[NMCycling] Seriously?

Tue Apr 26 14:23:28 MDT 2016

Recommend this book for anyone interested in exploring the subtleties,
ambiguities and psychology of this issue. It's just one guy's take,
but it's well written and thoughtful. I saw him talk a few years back
at Bookworks:
http://www.amazon.com/Doper-Next-Door-Andrew-Tilin/dp/158243820X
On 4/26/2016 at 2:09 PM, "Paul Sery via Bike-racers"  wrote:Seriously?
Using therapeutic medicine is the same as performance enhancing 
drugs? By this logic, taking my topical steroids puts me in the same
place 
as someone taking EPO. I'm pretty sure I could beat anyone yesterday
in 
that head-wind. I think the anti-PED pendulum needs to swing back just
a 
bit.
On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Samuel Medina via Bike-racers wrote:

> The "level playing field" argument is invalid. Taking any
performance enhancing drugs to win a race is racing like a coward.
Doping is wrong and immoral. End of story. Hats off to those who race
clean!
>
> Samuel Medina
>
>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 12:40, philip neis via Bike-racers  wrote:
>>
>> By this logic if they are all doping it's a "level playing field". 
If you have a medical condition that prevents you from legally
competing in a sport you should not be competing in the sport.  Pretty
sure Lance and all the other dopers from that era already used the
"level playing field" argument.
>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 11:08 AM, Cliff Loucks via Bike-racers  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yea, but in Teeple's case, they made him prove he's naturally
deficient so the supplement would bring him up to a normal level. 
Saying it another way,  they are allowing him to level the playing
field - just the other around.  Let's call it playing the level field?
 The article doesn't say anything about a middle of the pack
requirement in his case. That said.  How many people have the
resources to pay out of pocket for an MRI?  You'd have to give up the
next bike purchase.  I'm sure there is more to Teeple's case than the
article mentions.  Based on the facts it presents, I think the
exemption is warranted.
>>>
>>> And That's The Way It Is,
>>> --Walter
>>>
>>>
>>> Many of you probably have no clue who I just quoted.
>>> --Cliff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 26 2016 10:35 AM, Paul Sery via Bike-racers wrote:
>>>> I can't prove it but will promise to slam on my brakes the next
time
>>>> I'm about to win if given my TUE.
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Warsa, James S via Bike-racers wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, but that's what's funny. You can get only get the TUE if you
>>>>> prove you aren't going to win. How the hell do you *prove*
something
>>>>> like that anyway?
>>>>>
>>>>> Interpreting that quote from USADA literally, though, it seems
that
>>>>> any placing other than first is okay. So I'd say cover yourself
in
>>>>> patches.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jim Warsa
>>>>> Transport Methods Section
>>>>> Computational Physics and Methods Group, CCS-2
>>>>> Computer, Computational and Statistical Sciences Division
>>>>> Los Alamos National Laboratory
>>>>> 505-667-0214
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: John Savickas 
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:46 AM
>>>>> To: Warsa, James S; bike-racers at swcp.com
>>>>> Subject: RE: [NMCycling] Seriously?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hum, "Got Low T?"  Side effects of taking Low T medication
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Winning more races!
>>>>> 2. PR at age 60 for Record Challenge!
>>>>>
>>>>> USADA isn't broadcasting the news - Not anymore. Word is out!
>>>>>
>>>>> Race results will have to have an *. *rider on Low T medication
>>>>>
>>>>> Instructions say use one patch a day... What if I use 2 or 3?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Bike-racers [mailto:bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com]
On Behalf Of
>>>>> Warsa, James S via Bike-racers
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:01 AM
>>>>> To: bike-racers at swcp.com
>>>>> Subject: [NMCycling] Seriously?
>>>>>
>>>>> Unbelievable. Almost. The best part is someone can dope if they
"prove to
>>>>> USADA that he or she is unlikely to actually win one of these
amateur
>>>>> races".
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.wsj.com/articles/prescription-steroids-get-a-quiet-exemption-1461
>>>>> 365753
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jim Warsa
>>>>> Transport Methods Section
>>>>> Computational Physics and Methods Group, CCS-2 Computer,
Computational and
>>>>> Statistical Sciences Division Los Alamos National Laboratory
>>>>> 505-667-0214
>>>>>
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