[NMCycling] Seriously?

Tue Apr 26 14:23:30 MDT 2016

One good way to become naturally deficient in testosterone is to supplement
with testosterone.  Once you're on a significant dosage you're not coming
off.

I guess the question is, how important is the medication to your health,
and how important is bike racing to your identity?  If they started doing
pro level rules and enforcement and my asthma came back, well I guess I'd
quit what little racing I do and take my medication.  I think where people
lose the plot is when they're so wrapped up in being a bike racer that
their own health takes a back seat.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Paul Sery via Bike-racers <
bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

>
> Seriously? Using therapeutic medicine is the same as performance enhancing
> drugs? By this logic, taking my topical steroids puts me in the same place
> as someone taking EPO. I'm pretty sure I could beat anyone yesterday in
> that head-wind. I think the anti-PED pendulum needs to swing back just a
> bit.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Samuel Medina via Bike-racers wrote:
>
> The "level playing field" argument is invalid. Taking any performance
>> enhancing drugs to win a race is racing like a coward. Doping is wrong and
>> immoral. End of story. Hats off to those who race clean!
>>
>> Samuel Medina
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 12:40, philip neis via Bike-racers <
>>> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> By this logic if they are all doping it's a "level playing field".  If
>>> you have a medical condition that prevents you from legally competing in a
>>> sport you should not be competing in the sport.  Pretty sure Lance and all
>>> the other dopers from that era already used the "level playing field"
>>> argument.
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2016, at 11:08 AM, Cliff Loucks via Bike-racers <
>>>> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yea, but in Teeple's case, they made him prove he's naturally deficient
>>>> so the supplement would bring him up to a normal level.  Saying it another
>>>> way,  they are allowing him to level the playing field - just the other
>>>> around.  Let's call it playing the level field?  The article doesn't say
>>>> anything about a middle of the pack requirement in his case. That said.
>>>> How many people have the resources to pay out of pocket for an MRI?  You'd
>>>> have to give up the next bike purchase.  I'm sure there is more to Teeple's
>>>> case than the article mentions.  Based on the facts it presents, I think
>>>> the exemption is warranted.
>>>>
>>>> And That's The Way It Is,
>>>> --Walter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many of you probably have no clue who I just quoted.
>>>> --Cliff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 26 2016 10:35 AM, Paul Sery via Bike-racers wrote:
>>>>> I can't prove it but will promise to slam on my brakes the next time
>>>>> I'm about to win if given my TUE.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Warsa, James S via Bike-racers wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, but that's what's funny. You can get only get the TUE if you
>>>>>> prove you aren't going to win. How the hell do you *prove* something
>>>>>> like that anyway?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interpreting that quote from USADA literally, though, it seems that
>>>>>> any placing other than first is okay. So I'd say cover yourself in
>>>>>> patches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jim Warsa
>>>>>> Transport Methods Section
>>>>>> Computational Physics and Methods Group, CCS-2
>>>>>> Computer, Computational and Statistical Sciences Division
>>>>>> Los Alamos National Laboratory
>>>>>> 505-667-0214
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: John Savickas <John at Savickas.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:46 AM
>>>>>> To: Warsa, James S; bike-racers at swcp.com
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [NMCycling] Seriously?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hum, "Got Low T?"  Side effects of taking Low T medication
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Winning more races!
>>>>>> 2. PR at age 60 for Record Challenge!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> USADA isn't broadcasting the news - Not anymore. Word is out!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Race results will have to have an *. *rider on Low T medication
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instructions say use one patch a day... What if I use 2 or 3?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Bike-racers [mailto:bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Warsa, James S via Bike-racers
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:01 AM
>>>>>> To: bike-racers at swcp.com
>>>>>> Subject: [NMCycling] Seriously?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unbelievable. Almost. The best part is someone can dope if they
>>>>>> "prove to
>>>>>> USADA that he or she is unlikely to actually win one of these amateur
>>>>>> races".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/prescription-steroids-get-a-quiet-exemption-1461
>>>>>> 365753
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jim Warsa
>>>>>> Transport Methods Section
>>>>>> Computational Physics and Methods Group, CCS-2 Computer,
>>>>>> Computational and
>>>>>> Statistical Sciences Division Los Alamos National Laboratory
>>>>>> 505-667-0214
>>>>>>
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