[Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics
Beverly Hill via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com
Sun Oct 2 16:03:49 MDT 2016
I've had a thought running around in my head for a while about all the changes that are happening in Nob Hill. Being a Pollyanna by nature, I am hoping for some positive unintended consequences resulting from A.R.T. (I still have trouble referring to it as art) and the displacement of vehicles from Central to the parallel streets.
Having grown up in Los Angeles and experienced all the gridlock freeways and alternate routes out there, it becomes clear after a while that the more vehicles you have on a road, the slower traffic travels. Can we hope that as vehicles move over to Lomas, Campus, Silver, Lead and Coal, the congestion will naturally slow traffic and reduce the incidence of drivers behaving badly? I happen to live on Campus and surely hope so. We can't stop it from happening, so now to observe what happens and push for mitigation if needed after we see the results. There is a lot of racing on Lomas, too, but I imagine the risk of a head-on collision does send the serious racers to the one-ways of Lead and Coal. Let's all keep working on solutions and hoping we can find common ground to approach the city with. Wish us all luck.
Beverly
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From: Susan Michie via Neighbors_nobhill-nm
To: Thomas Simic ; neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com ; mullens.stephen at gmail.com ; citizen at comcast.net
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Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics
Tom,
I agree if neighbors don't live on Lead/Coal it is harder to understand the situation. But I think neighbors make suggestions because they are hearing your dilemma and they want to help. Do you have a viable solution we can support as a group or recommend to the NHNA board. Thanks Susan
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Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics
Sent: Mon, Sep 12, 2016 10:03:49 PM
Have you thought about how your suggestion would affect emergency vehicles and their response time???
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From: Susan Michie via Neighbors_n...
Date: Mon, Sep 12, 2016 2:03 PM
To: Stephen Mullens;Anderson Robert;
Cc: bluet-78504 at mypacks.net;Hill Nob;
Subject:Re: [Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics
The primary problem here appears to be the double lane one-way streets that are now straight and thus, provide good opportunity for racing. What do neighbors who live on these streets think about changing both Lead and Coal into two-way streets? Which would eliminate racing and all the noise, etc. that goes with it. Just curious...S
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From: Stephen Mullens via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>
To: Anderson Robert <citizen at comcast.net>
Cc: bluet-78504 at mypacks.net; Hill Nob <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Neighbors] Lead/Coal accident statistics
Good stuff. Bob. Thank you.> On Aug 29, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Anderson Robert via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:>
> Thanks Dave for this useful information. As Juan points out, the data show the accidents with severe injuries are more as perhaps the number total accidents may be less. I say perhaps as this data is probably incomplete because some people will settled between themselves rather than report it. Or, how do we chart like the day I was almost killed at the corner in my yard trimming weeds by a car that spun backwards out of control in a run-the N/S stop sign collision, with a car stopping inches behind me in just seconds with the read bumper on my legs. Yes, I have a personal stake in safety on this roadway. The latest collision here that spun out went through my yard wall headed toward the bed room where my girls sleep. The wall is in the process of being rebuilt. One night I had two cars nose to bumper in my yard against the both having jumped over a large set of boulders to prevent this kind of thing.
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> After watching this section for 13 years now, before and after the rebuild of Lead/Coal, I think there are several things that could be done.
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> Carlisle and Coal (maybe at Lead too) is a death trap. A reasonable proposal would be that the Coal/Carlisle intersection should be a flashing red in all directions, all stop. This would help stop the drag racing from Girard to Bryn Mawr and Carlisle by those trying to beat the lights. The light at Bryn Mawr should be removed or a 4 way stop also. I can see no purpose the one at Bryn Mawr serves other than to give the go start signal for drag racing from Girard to Carlisle. I have seen APD cars cruise this section of Coal and drivers are nice then, but once they are not seen it is open season for racing and high performance driving show off driving. One way this could be tamed too would be to have and strongly enforce a "silent neighborhood" ordnance on vehicles with no mufflers or with the racing exhausts (another motorcycle just zoom by blasting away the silence in my office), I can hear it tearing out of Carlisle.
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> The accidents I see on this section are probably along with injuries also more in total cost vehicle damage. My adopted mother was almost a kill turning off Lead south on Richmond. Two cars were destroyed. That intersection is usually blocked by both the telephone switch boxes out near the sidewalk/street to the east and on the west by residents parking large SUV on the turn-in side. One has to come to a full stop on Lead to turn onto Richmond if there is a vehicle stopped with its nose out in the traffic lane at the north direction stop sign. The residents on the west corner have lots of photos of cars rolled over in their yard, up against signs and the trees (which have never been replaced), etc.
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> Richmond going south at Coal has the almost same problem due to the poor design that has been inherited by legacy zoning that allows people to build tall walls blocking visibility to the west. Large brush growing there also compounds the problem as drivers have to pull way out past the pedestrian walk zone to see the traffic.
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> No modern designer would build streets like this with the N/S flow pattern but A.R.T. is doing that and as a result is only going to make for more and worse crashes, imo with the increased traffic flow. I even see big semi size trucks on Coal probably trying to make local deliveries on Central. Something has to be done about the N/S and line of sight problems on this section. I have some proposals on that problem too…
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> On Aug 28, 2016, at 4:34 PM, bluet-78504--- via Neighbors_nobhill-nm <neighbors_nobhill-nm at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Dave,
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> The speed limit was reduced from 35 to 30 and accidents with injuries go up by double digits. It will be interesting (entertaining) to hear the speed limit reduction apologists make excuses for this. Scientific facts are much more valuable for a reasoned discussion than opinions.
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>> Neighbors,
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>> After much discussion in the early part of this year about the frequency
>> of accidents along the Nob Hill Neighborhood corridor of Lead and Coal,
>> I asked our APD crime prevention representative, Laura Kuehn, for some
>> information about this.
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>> At our May crime prevention and safety meeting, Commander Griego, APD
>> Southeast Command, presented those statistics. I scanned them and
>> uploaded them to our web site:
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>> http://www.nobhill-nm.com/traffic-accidents-leadcoal-112013-4302016/
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>> Dave Dixon
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