[NMCCSC] Please Move Conversation // Re: SNOTEL Snow Report / 1-12-24

Sun Jan 14 12:26:24 MST 2024

Um, as a new person, has this ever happened before? Does everyone know the group guidelines, and the consequences for not living up to them? Generally listservs of this size do need that kind of thing, with regular reminders. Groups can get whacky! :-) Right now, folks really are shooting first and asking later, and this kind of stuff can quickly impair a good community thing. It doesn’t matter what our opinion is, there should be clear group rules about how we share them. Name calling, for one thing, should be out of bounds, always. 

I’m happy to help re-visit this task with moderators if it’s needed. And if that help isn’t needed, I would be delighted if moderators reminded us of the group norms. Thanks all! 

Leslie Nipps
Convivium Constellations - Founder, Practitioner & Trainer
www.conviviumconstellations.com

"Hasten to that which supports." - The I Ching

On Jan 14, 2024, at 12:16 PM, Gil Stewart via NMCCSCeGroup <nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out , crybaby 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2024, at 9:40 AM, 2miguelitobits via NMCCSCeGroup <nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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> I find the lack of specificity and nasty and disrespectful tone of this list unacceptable. Since I must turn off notifications, the group has zero value to me, as I will not find out about events in a timely manner. I wish I had know what the tone of this group was like before joining. I have completly wasted $25 that could have been better spent. I would have thought outdoor folk would be more evolved than the emails indicate. Adios...
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> From: Eric Jeffries via NMCCSCeGroup <nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com>
> Date: 1/14/24 8:49 AM (GMT-07:00)
> To: Vicky Kauffman <vickykauffman53 at gmail.com>, dana_price at gmx.com
> Cc: NMCCSCEGroup Swcp <nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMCCSC] Please Move Conversation // Re: SNOTEL Snow Report / 1-12-24
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> You all are doing a great job. I will try to join you as soon as I can. Eric Jeffries
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> From: NMCCSCeGroup <nmccscegroup-bounces at mailman.swcp.com> On Behalf Of Vicky Kauffman via NMCCSCeGroup
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2024 8:35 AM
> To: dana_price at gmx.com
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> Subject: Re: [NMCCSC] Please Move Conversation // Re: SNOTEL Snow Report / 1-12-24
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> I agree with Dana. I look to email for snow conditions and also get them from Sandia Nordic, lots of them. But can delete those that are already in the stream. It’s not a problem. Read the latest and then delete the rest. Smile and be patient. People are just trying to help others go have fun.
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> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 5:37 PM dana_price--- via NMCCSCeGroup <nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
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> I personally don’t want to have to go to facebook to hear about access to the mountain closest to  most of our population. This is s very relevant topic. 
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> However, I would suggest getting a group together to explore solutions, perhaps coordinating with Sandia Nordic and the ski area. This is going to take a lot of work, not just complaining. How about putting out a call for people to work on the issue, and then take this conversation offline. 
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> Dana
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> On 1/13/24 at 7:41 AM, Bet Gendron via NMCCSCeGroup wrote:
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> From: "Bet Gendron via NMCCSCeGroup" <nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com>>
> Date: January 13, 2024
> To: "Barry Ritchey" <barrywind505 at gmail.com <mailto:barrywind505 at gmail.com>>
> Cc: "NMCCSCEGroup Swcp" <nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com>>
> Subject: [NMCCSC] Please Move Conversation // Re: SNOTEL Snow Report / 1-12-24
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> Hi All-  Barry, Robert, Dean, Gil-
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> Could you move this conversation out of the Club's Egroup realm?  You could talk between yourselves and/or move it to our Facebook site.  People really appreciate reducing the chatter into their inboxes. Just 'forward' to each other, not 'reply'.
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> Meanwhile, we can all enjoy our newly cleared Crest rd and parking lots!
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> Thanks, guys.  Bet
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> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024, 7:26 AM Barry Ritchey via NMCCSCeGroup <nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
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> Official NMDOT names of the guilty... or not guilty... of plowing..
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> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 8:52 PM Robert Evans via NMCCSCeGroup <nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
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> Regarding plowing the crest Road, we don’t need to send anyone all the way to Colorado to learn how to deal with deep snow, only up to Santa Fe. The road through Hyde Park up to Aspen Vista and Santa Fe Ski area is plowed incredibly well just like deep snow areas in Colorado. They got over 4 feet of snow up there this week and also problems with drifting and the road was perfectly clear by Wednesday morning with wide lanes, plowed shoulders and turnouts, and very high snowbanks on the side. They must have the equipment up there, so why can’t it happen down here? 
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> Of course, there is a ski area up there, but I’m not sure that should make a big difference. 
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> On Jan 12, 2024, at 12:56 PM, Dean Kuethe via NMCCSCeGroup <nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
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> I share the incredulity but we need to identify a way to fund the effort and inform public works or whoever that the snow plow needs to don chains, the road needs tall reflectors so the driver knows where the road is, etc.  [I saw the plow stuck twice this winter already.  In one case the rescue grader got stuck as well until the driver put on chains]  Perhaps someone knows how to put a mill levey or something on a ballot or how we might raise enough money from winter sports enthusiasts.  At present, it appears Bernallillo county is not equipped to plow a road in a place where it really snows.  Perhaps in a program similar to sending a chef to Europe to learn cooking, we can send a team to Colorado to learn how to plow deep snow.  We need to pay plow drivers enough to plow during wee morning hours so they don't have to plow around stuck vehicles. 
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> I doubt this can happen this winter.  Us winter recreation fans and associated businesses probably need to "step up to the plate".  The other capitalist entities that may join are the companies that need access to the communication towers.  
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> One of those giant snow blowers they use in Wolf Creek Pass would be great but I bet they cost a fortune.  Traditionally, our plow leaves huge banks of snow in the road in heavy snow years, reducing the road to one lane in spots. It costs money to remedy that.
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> On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 12:26 PM Gil Stewart via NMCCSCeGroup <nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
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> I don't want you to take this wrong or it is not meant to be disrespectful but the road to the crest needs to be open and i mean yesterday. The States largest mountain next to the largest city in New Mexico and w no-one can access it. I realize there is not enough man power but that response is not acceptable me especoally now that the tram is closed.There I said it I feel better now.
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> On Jan 12, 2024, at 8:31 AM, Barry Ritchey via NMCCSCeGroup <nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com <mailto:nmccscegroup at mailman.swcp.com>> wrote:
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> Snow report from SNOTEL sites around the Southwest. Friday, January 12, 2024.
> These numbers are more aligned with what a plunged ski pole might measure, compared to a magic snowdrift at a ski area. Most NM mountains have a snowpack well over 100% of normal, with SW Colorado mountains still below normal. But who knows what the new normal is…
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> Inches of snowpack today, Jan 12, and a week ago.
> Sandias – No SNOTEL sensor, but it’s good to excellent. But will they ever plow the road?
> Santa Fe – 44”, up from 32” a week ago.
> Jemez (Quemazon) – 30” up from 21”
> Hopewell Lake – 31” up from 23” (Check NMRoads before driving up. US64 is prone to closings.)
> Cumbress/Chama – 48” doubled from 24”
> Wolf Creek Pass – 59” up from 32”
> Red Mtn. Pass – 38” up from 28”
> Let it snow,
> Ritchey, Tele Ranger
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