[LWVNM Action] Ranked choice voting in Georgia's November 2020 election RE: Convention item
Linda Adcox-Kimmel
kimmel.linda9 at gmail.com
Sun Apr 11 14:00:58 MDT 2021
Thank you, Jeanne for this detailed analysis.
On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 1:36 PM Jeanne Logsdon via Action <
action at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
> George and All –
>
>
>
> Here are the percentages of the votes cast in the November 3, 2020 Georgia
> Senate election:
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> David Perdue (Republican incumbent) 49.73%
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> Jon Ossoff (Democratic candidate) 47.95%
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> Shane Hazel (Libertarian candidate) 2.32%
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> One has to make certain assumptions about how an election would have
> turned out under different circumstances. If ranked-choice voting had been
> in place for this election, we need to analyze how the Hazel supporters
> would have ranked Perdue and Ossoff as their second choice. I believe that
> a very high percentage of them would have ranked Perdue as their second
> choice because the Libertarian philosophy (esp. smaller government) is
> closer to Republican than Democratic values. Therefore, Perdue would have
> easily won.
>
>
>
> The November 3 Georgia “special election” to fill Isakson’s Senate seat
> for 2 years is more complicated because there were over 20 candidates on
> the ballot. Party primaries were not held to coalesce party support around
> leading candidates. The initial results were as follows:
>
> Raphael Warnock (Democratic candidate) 32.90%
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> Kelly Loeffler (Rep. appointed incumbent) 25.91%
>
> Doug Collins (Republican candidate) 19.95%
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> Deborah Jackson (Democratic candidate) 6.68%
>
> 6 Democratic candidates with < 3% each 8.89%
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> 4 Republican candidates with < 2% each 3.51%
>
> 1
> Libertarian
> .72%
>
> 1
> Green
> .31%
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> 4 Independents
> 1.21%
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>
>
> Predicting the second, third, fourth, etc. choices of the losing
> candidates is speculative at best. But to simplify, one might assume that
> the Collins and other Republican supporters would be more likely to select
> Loeffler as better reflecting their values than Warnock. Similarly, the
> Jackson and other Democratic supporters would be more likely to prefer
> Warnock over Loeffler. If so, then the results would have been very close:
>
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> Loeffler 49.37%
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> Warnock 48.47%
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>
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> If the Libertarian voters go with Loeffler and the Green voters go with
> Warnock, then Loeffler wins. If we relax thie assumption, then the mixed
> bag of Independents might have decided the race. But, thankfully, this is
> all speculation because indeed there was a run-off in January 2021.
>
>
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> I have strong misgivings about ranked-choice voting. The results are not
> going to be the same as from a run-off election, at least some of the time.
> It will cost more to conduct a run-off election, but I have more confidence
> that the results accurately reflect the will of the voters.
>
>
>
> Please let me know of any errors in my calculations. Also I welcome other
> opinions and perspectives.
>
>
>
> Jeanne
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>
>
> PS: All candidate and election data found on Google.
>
>
>
> *From:* George Richmond <geomrich1 at comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 9, 2021 1:48 PM
> *To:* action at mailman.swcp.com
> *Cc:* Jeanne Logsdon <jlogsdon at unm.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [LWVNM Action] Convention item
>
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> * [EXTERNAL]*
>
> I must have missed that election in Georgia. Can you ask Jeanne to share
> more details about how RCV in Georgia would have resulted in a different
> result.
>
> George Richmond
>
> On 4/9/2021 10:32 AM, Karen Douglas via Action wrote:
>
> LWVNM - Jeanne Logsdon pointed to Rank Choice Voting during the March 2021
> CNM Board meeting and indicated that the Georgia Senate race outcome would
> have been different if Rank Choice Voting was implemented. Although this
> saves resources, perhaps a more careful review should be considered.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 7:33 AM Barbara Calef via Action <
> action at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> I am pasting the relevant portion of the minutes from our March board
> meeting. I am glad that Meredith brought this up because I was wondering
> what happened to the meeting Karen W. told us about. I was hoping it would
> be open to all League members, but have not seen it mentioned since March
> 6.
>
> Barbara
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>
>
> *PROPOSED CONCURRENCE WITH LWVVT POSITION ON RANKED-CHOICE VOTING*
>
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> Delegates to the 2019 LWVNM Convention were asked to adopt the
> board-recommended statement in the Election Procedures position which read,
> "Ranked-choice voting [RCV] in all elections" to replace the wording,
> "Amending the State Constitution to allow run-off elections in the case of
> non-partisan elections." The delegates rejected this proposal because of a
> lack of understanding on the issue and the concerns about whether RCV had
> been successfully implemented in other jurisdictions. The Santa Fe League
> has asked that the RCV statement be reconsidered at the 2021 Convention.
> Chris moved that LWVNM adopt the RCV statement in place of the current
> run-off statement and to include it as a recommended item at the convention
> in April. Meredith seconded this motion. Chris noted that Common Cause
> will provide educational materials to League members and that organization
> has offered to meet with the individual Leagues about the issue.
>
>
>
> Akkana instead suggested using language such as, "an alternative voting
> system like ranked choice voting" because there are multiple alternative
> voting systems. Barbara offered Akkana's proposed language as a
> friendly amendment, which Chris accepted. Dick is concerned about this
> language change because it suggests we approve every alternative way of
> voting. Eileen was concerned about amending language from a concurrence
> with another League and Kathy was concerned that adopting a position from
> another League does not allow buy-in from the membership until after the
> fact. Based on these concerns, Chris withdrew her motion.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 8:37 AM Meredith Machen via Action <
> action at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> My apologies. In my broken arm and shoulder pain haze, I did not read it
> carefully. I was remembering the Board discussion on RCV and was thinking
> it was included in the position revision. Thanks for correcting the record,
> Chris.
>
> Meredith Machen ,
>
> mermachen at cybermesa.com
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> 505 577 6337
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>
> On Apr 9, 2021, at 10:09 AM, Chris Furlanetto <crfrwf at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Meredith,
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>
>
> I need to correct your message below.
>
>
>
> The Program agenda for the LWVNM Convention does not include any Election
> Procedures position changes regarding ranked choice voting (RCV) or any
> other methods of counting votes.
>
>
>
> There is an Election Procedures item on the Convention agenda. This
> concerns the addition of two Board-approved sub-bullets related to primary
> election eligibility/party affiliation.
>
>
>
> Please refer to the Spring La Palabra for a description of all the Program
> items to be voted on. All are recommended by the LWVNM Board.
>
>
>
> The question of amending the NM Election Procedures position to endorse
> RCV or to make any other changes to our position about how votes are
> counted is not on the agenda for Convention as either a recommended or
> non-recommended item for a vote. Stating that the the state Board approved
> and supports such an update to our Election Procedures position is
> incorrect.
>
>
>
> Let me know of any questions of course. I'll be happy to provide
> additional information.
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>
>
> Chris
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>
>
> On Thursday, April 8, 2021, 01:41:52 PM MDT, Meredith Machen via Action <
> action at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
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> For background on why the state board approved and supports updating our
> Election Procedures position as presented in the Spring La Palabra Program
> Report, see below. Plurality voting is a democratic system that requires a
> majority in order to win while “winner takes all” fails to do that. Thanks
> for studying the issue. Santa Fe and Las Cruces joined many enlightened
> governments by instituting ranked choice voting. The Maine uses it for all
> elections even primaries. Lots of Leagues have done extensive studies and
> have lobbied for voters to support the change.
>
> Meredith Machen
>
> mermachen at cybermesa.com
>
> 505 577 6337
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>
> Begin forwarded message:
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> *From:* Paula Lee <paula.lee at comcast.net>
> *Date:* April 8, 2021 at 11:27:34 AM EDT
> *To:* Kayla Vix <KVix at lwv.org>
> *Cc:* LWV New York - Dare Thompson <darethompson at gmail.com>, LWV Colorado
> - ED Beth Hendrix <bhendrix at lwvcolorado.org>, Carol Moon Goldberg <
> cmoongoldberg at lwvc.org>, League of Women Voters State Presidents <
> lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* *Re: Mt Holyoke professor Douglas J Amy*
>
>
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> Professor Douglas Amy’s book “Behind the Ballot Box: A Citizens Guide to
> Election Systems had a great list of criteria
>
> California Local Leagues used to evaluate different electoral systems in
> California’s state study of election systems.
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>
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> I am not familiar with ALL his work but Professor Amy has been writing
> about the problems with U.S. plurality elections for many years.
>
> As an alternative to plurality winner take all elections, he argues for
> proportional representation.
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>
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> After 20 years of LWV state and local electoral reform studies, our LWVUS *Voter
> Representation and Election Systems*
>
> position supports alternatives to plurality voting and supports
> proportional representation.
>
>
>
> Perhaps it is what motivated Prof. Amy to contact some local leagues
> rather than “self promotion”?
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>
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> The specific position language can be found in LWVUS publication "Impact
> on Issues" page 47 and 48
> https://www.lwv.org/sites/default/files/2020-12/LWV-impact-2020.pdf
>
>
>
> "we support electoral systems that “implement alternatives to plurality
> voting”
>
> and
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> "The League supports electoral systems that elect policy-making
> bodies–-legislatures, councils, commissions, and boards—that proportionally
> reflect the people they represent.”
>
>
>
> Paula Lee
>
> LWV Sacramento, CA
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> 916-704-0195 Cell & Text
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>
>
> P.S. I found this when I looked up his book *Real Choices/New Voices*:
>
>
>
> There is a growing realization that many of the problems afflicting
> American elections can be traced to the electoral system itself, in
> particular to our winner-take-all approach to electing officials. Douglas
> Amy demonstrates that switching to proportional representation
> elections―the voting system used in most other Western democracies, by
> which officials are elected in large, multimember districts according to
> the proportion of the vote won by their parties―would enliven democratic
> political debate, increase voter choice and voter turnout, ensure fair
> representation for third parties and minorities, eliminate wasted votes and
> "spoilers," and ultimately produce policies that better reflect the public
> will. Looking beyond new voting machines and other quick fixes for our
> electoral predicament, this new edition of *Real Choices/New Voices* offers
> a timely and imaginative way out of the frustrations of our current system
> of choosing leaders.
>
>
>
> On Apr 6, 2021, at 7:40 AM, Kayla Vix <KVix at lwv.org> wrote:
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> I would caution against promoting resources that LWV doesn’t endorse or
> control. There may be some good content here, but this feels mostly like
> self-promotion—especially if this person is getting in touch with many
> Leagues in this way.
>
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> *Kayla Vix* (she/her)
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> *From:* lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com <
> lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Dare Thompson
> *Sent:* Monday, April 5, 2021 5:31 PM
> *To:* LWV Colorado - ED Beth Hendrix <bhendrix at lwvcolorado.org>
> *Cc:* Carol Moon Goldberg <cmoongoldberg at lwvc.org>; League of Women
> Voters State Presidents <lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Mt Holyoke professor Douglas J Amy
>
>
>
> My local League got the same message and I was impressed by what I saw of
> his writings and background but we don't endorse even the finest of finest
> scholars so we couldn't think what to do about his request except maybe to
> ask him to speak to us. I'm also on the NY state board and haven't heard
> how we responded if we did.
>
>
> Dare Thompson
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> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 3:10 PM Beth Hendrix <bhendrix at lwvcolorado.org>
> wrote:
>
> One of our state Leagues forwarded a message from Dr. Amy, which prompted
> a bit of background research – he seems legit and a valid resource, we
> decided – that said, we haven’t contacted him at this point.
>
> Best --
>
> Beth
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> Beth Hendrix
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> *From:* lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com <
> lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Carol Moon Goldberg
> *Sent:* Monday, April 5, 2021 12:50 PM
> *To:* 'League of Women Voters State Presidents' <
> lwv-state-presidents at googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Mt Holyoke professor Douglas J Amy
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
>
> A couple of our local Leagues have been contacted by a retired Mt. Holyoke
> professor named Douglas J. Amy suggesting that his website be posted on
> their websites. I believe this is the site
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> a web project of Douglas J. Amy. I am a Professor of Politics at Mount
> Holyoke College, where I have taught American politics for over 20 years.
> My main area of expertise has been electoral system reform, and I have
> written a number of books including Real Choices, New Voices: How
> Proportional Representation Elections Could Revitalize American ...
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> He's created a library on proportional representation for FairVote.
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> Have you or any of the Leagues in your states had contact with this? What
> are your opinions of it, if you have any.
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>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Carol Moon Goldberg (she, her)
>
> President
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