[Awclist] Rio Chama

Sat Feb 25 09:44:58 MST 2012

To All

First of all permits are impossible to get! Another matter entirely to deal
with!

Being retired 
we would be happy to have week days available and in fact last year because
of the irrigation releases (I am guessing)there was more water during the
week than weekends (go figure!)

For those who are working however, it would seem better to keep those 3 day
weekends available.

Obviously some of the release is dependent on a number of factors related to
drought and water storage and more.....

As boaters we are happy to USE the flow that is available but if planning
releases it would be helpful to know what to PLAN and how we would use it.
Then ALL people could plan better their time to use the chama waters - not
just ABQ people. I am sure this is also a factor for the commercial people
to plan w/ their customers the times they can schedule.

Well that is CELIA's in put for now.

Celia Southwick

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Harris [mailto:steve.harris39 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:47 AM
To: Sara Traub
Cc: 'Wes Moore'; 'Tim Scofield'; Robert Southwick; 'Frank Walsh';
awclist at swcp.com
Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama

SARA and all:  Thanks for responding.  A couple of questions: Would it make
sense that these 3 weekend would aim toward 3 day holidays (Memorial Day,
4th of July, Labor Day) or avoid them?  What about the idea of encouraging
more weekday trips?  Is that impractical for most ABQ boaters?

Steve Harris
Rio Grande Restoration
HCR 69 Box 3-C
Embudo, NM 87531

home/office: 575-751-1269
fax: same
Mobile: 575-770-2502

steve.harris39 at gmail.com

On Feb 24, 2012, at 9:50 PM, Sara Traub wrote:

> I also vote for 3 weekends at 800.
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> Sara Traub
>
> --- On Thu, 2/23/12, Robert Southwick <rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com> 
> wrote:
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> From: Robert Southwick <rsouthwick at shamanproducts.com>
> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
> To: "'Wes Moore'" <Wes at superiormortgage-nm.com>, "'Tim Scofield'" 
> <timscofi5 at gmail.com
> >
> Cc: "'Frank Walsh'" <h2opro801 at q.com>, awclist at swcp.com
> Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 1:11 PM
>
> I second that - Celia Southwick
>
> From: awclist-bounces at swcp.com [mailto:awclist-bounces at swcp.com] On 
> Behalf Of Wes Moore
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:40 AM
> To: Tim Scofield
> Cc: Frank Walsh; awclist at swcp.com
> Subject: Re: [Awclist] Rio Chama
>
> 3 weekends at 800.
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> Sent from my iPad
>
> Wes Moore
> VP/Partner/Sr. Loan Officer
> Superior Mortgage Services, LLC
> NMLS #205189
> (505) 249-4506 cell
> www.moore4yourmoney.com
>
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:16 PM, "Tim Scofield" <timscofi5 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I never received a response to the email below about flows.
>>
>> Given that the Bureau will try to have a flushing flow (hopefully 5k 
>> in a good water year) in the spring, and a limited amount of water, 
>> what release flows would you like to see later in the season when 
>> there is minimal water in the Rio Grande? Would you rather boat one 
>> weekend at 2400cfs or three weekends at 800cfs or 4 weekends at 
>> 600cfs? (Or some other flow level)
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Tim Scofield <timscofi5 at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> The rafters that said that the trip went too fast above 1000 cfs were 
>> private boaters from Colorado.
>>
>> I personally just spend more time exploring when the water's high.
>>
>> The way I see it, It's really a question of at what point would you 
>> not bother going kayaking/rafting/canoeing assuming that the RIo has 
>> already peaked and is down to a couple hundred. At what point would 
>> you not bother to even go up to the Chama.
>>
>> There will be a weekend or two that get a peaking flow in the spring 
>> to try to maintain a healthy ecosystem, but this section of the Chama 
>> is below El Vado, and they're going to try to store as much water as 
>> they can as high up as they can. So we're not going to see really big 
>> flows like we've ocassionaly seen on the Rio Grande. They doe have 
>> some storage in Abiqu lake, but it is somewhat limited for various 
>> reasons.
>>
>> The question is would you rather boat one weekend at 2400cfs or three 
>> weekends at 800cfs or 4 weekends at 600cfs. Assuming that there's 
>> enough water for any releases at all.
>>
>> It's also problem if they don't keep at least 150 cfs in the river at 
>> all times, which they sometimes don't, because the whole ecosystem up 
>> there starts to suffer.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:32 PM, monica a. martin 
>> <orangely at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I think it's time to point out the commercial boater perspective:  
>> many have had to boat this river with customers and their gear in
>> 14-15 foot rafts in the 200's.  This certainly isn't ideal.  Many 
>> comfortably boat it at 500cfs.  If you get to do it at 1000cfs, 
>> you've got it posh.  Anything above 600cfs works pretty nicely and 
>> many of us find it enjoyable in work or play at this level.  Isn't 
>> maneuvering around rocks part of what makes it interesting?
>>
>> Monica & Josh
>>
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