[NMCycling] Mari Holden trivia

Wed Jul 20 15:33:00 MDT 2016

Ha ha!  Yeah, it would be fun to attempt a ride on the tandem with John.
I'm still in OK shape, but I could probably focus on it for a few months
and get into fightin' form... ;-)

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:01 PM, David Porter <frogeye at porterscustom.com>
wrote:

> John is often looking for a stoker on the tandem.. if you have never been,
> don't miss the opportunity. He is STILL very, very strong... wait for the
> bobbing and grunts.. breath taking..
>
> dp
>
> On 7/20/2016 2:40 PM, Clay Moseley via Bike-racers wrote:
>
> I was at the turn-around that day (I was too poor to afford the entry
> fee). I very well remember the long line of traffic that was held up just
> before the "big guys" (Frey, Bostick, etc.) came through the turn around
> just north of Estancia, including some very slow-accelerating, heavily
> loaded trucks.
>
> Now, having been there myself, I know how much a truck moving at speeds in
> the 40s (mph) helps when you're averaging 34 mph yourself.  I've had a lot
> of long car trips with Kent Bostick to hear the inch-by-inch replay of that
> day. Many factors were at play, but the bottom line is that Frey was the
> only guy who could pedal that fast that day (on a fixie, no less...).
> Recall that Frey also win the national TT championship at the 1988 Olympic
> trials, ahead of arguably one of the most talented group of American TT
> strong-men ever assembled (Norm Alvis, etc.).
>
> I've been on Frey's wheel in many hard races, and the guy was the master
> of the "big wind-up," where everyone else was completely spun out, or maxed
> out, and he could always reach for more with just a little more RPM that no
> one else could muster.  I can vividly remember the look of his pedal stroke
> and the back of his legs, and how he would actually sit up straighter and
> higher on his bike to do it (vs. the famous "Bosti-meter" head tilt and
> full spasm body crouch of Kent Bostick).
>
> Besides Jim Warsa, anyone else remember the "Great Vaughn to Roswell Road
> Race" the day we had that tailwind and did 90+miles in like 2:45? Classic
> John Frey conditions...
> On Jul 20, 2016 1:15 PM, "Warsa, James S" <warsa at lanl.gov> wrote:
>
>> Weather. Double-tailwind that day.
>>
>>
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>> *From:* Bike-racers <bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com> on behalf of
>> George Tapley via Bike-racers <bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:19 PM
>> *To:* paul; Craig M. Doolittle; Craig Denman; Clay Moseley; Chad
>> Patterson; NM Bike Racers
>> *Subject:* Re: [NMCycling] Mari Holden trivia
>>
>> Chad,
>> Back in the fast days before the shoulder there was the tire wear strip.
>> That was the fast line.
>>
>> I know I have spoken with a number of people over the years on the record
>> and many will not attempt it because the
>> course is not closed.    One team manager actually said that Frey had to
>> be drafting the day he set his record.
>>
>> Yeah, Steve Wood had just graduated from Highland High.  I think he is
>> still the youngest winner of road nationals
>> and may still have the largest winning margin.   A ride legends are made
>> of.  Flatted 2x caught back solo both times.
>> Went through the field and attacked after the second lap.  Tom Doughty
>> was the only one to go with him.  Then he dropped
>> Doughty on Watertower hill.   Solo'd in for the victory.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 8:36 AM, paul via Bike-racers <
>> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ...and the alibaba face mask, gigantic spoke protector (disk wheel
>> precursor), Schwinn Ashtabula forks, 12 spokes(?), ...
>>
>> On 07/19/2016 05:26 PM, Craig M. Doolittle via Bike-racers wrote:
>> And on the bottom of his shoes!
>>
>> *From:* Bike-racers [mailto:bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com
>> <bike-racers-bounces at mailman.swcp.com>] *On Behalf Of *Craig Denman via
>> Bike-racers
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 19, 2016 5:21 PM
>> *To:* Clay Moseley; Chad Patterson; NM Bike Racers
>> *Subject:* Re: [NMCycling] Mari Holden trivia
>>
>> I remember John Frey's first TT record because I spent so much time
>> looking at the stenciled 51:57 on the back of his seat tube -- and recall
>> the 600-grit sandpaper on all of the tube leading edges placed there for
>> the hype of speed.
>> Craig Denman
>>
>> On 07/19/2016 03:53 PM, Clay Moseley via Bike-racers wrote:
>>
>> John Frey once held the national record at around 52:00 early in his
>> career with RGRT.  I remember when it was still above the 50:00 mark around
>> 1987 or so, then came the "fast years" from 1988 to recent.  I think Kent
>> was the first one to go sub-50 with his Ten-Speed Drive Guercotti, and
>> within a year he got that down to 48:44 or so, when Frey did his thing in
>> 1990 (47:35?).  On that same day, Kent also went 47:40-something.  I only
>> recall one other person going sub-48 on the Moriarty course, and that was
>> Colby Pearce with his high-dollar Lotus and Superman position.  In recent
>> years, it seems that the 50:00 minute barrier has become harder to break.
>>
>> All that being said, I think the Brits were the first ones to make the
>> 25-mile time trial a famous distance that was focused on for speed
>> records.  Our times compare closely with theirs, but it wasn't until
>> Boardman came along that the 47-minute barrier was broken.  Then there was
>> a string of them as well.
>>
>> Anyway, back to your original question, Mari Holden's time is pretty
>> killer.  Many top-level (Pro/Cat-1) men can't time trial that fast on an
>> equitable course with the same conditions.  That time will stand for a
>> while.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Chad Patterson via Bike-racers <
>> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me the last time a 51:36 would've been the outright
>> winner of Record Challenge?  I'm just looking for something that will
>> illustrate to the average sports fan how ridiculously fast that is.
>>
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