[NMCycling] WTF is wrong with this world????

[Andy Stravers]

This is a parenting issue.  You either teach, model, and hold accountable
or you don't.  Doesn't erase the pain and trauma of the family of the
victim.  But let's face it, society is a big mess right now.

On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 7:13 PM Bob Perls via Bike-racers <
bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

> The other issue is that the parents should be held liable for the kid’s
> actions as well. I don’t think a society should be putting children to
> death,but I do think parents must assume liability for kids-especially with
> guns not secured by parents, cars not secured, etc. Of course the kids
> should lose their freedom and spend much of their lives repaying the family
> of the deceased. Our laws must change. But killing kids is not the answer.
>
> Really it is representative of a wider problem of dangerous driving, lack
> of punishment for breaking the law, etc. I am convinced that if people knew
> they would get ticketed for speeding, for cheating on their tax return, and
> other smaller crimes that it would be a deterrent to bigger crimes. There
> really is a reason to support law and order without becoming an
> authoritarian state.
>
> Bob Perls
>
> On Mar 18, 2025, at 5:01 PM, Jennifer Buntz via Bike-racers <
> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
> Based on back stories I have learned through the ghost bike efforts I
> think the trauma those children wrought on the Habermehl family goes
> through them, back one or more generation.
>
> It is so sad in every aspect.
>
> Jennifer
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2025, 4:10 PM Craig Doolittle via Bike-racers <
> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.kob.com/news/top-news/police-arrest-13-year-old-with-murder-for-deadly-hit-and-run-with-stolen-car/
>>
>>
>> https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/murder-hit-run-albuquerque-scott-habermehl-b2717242.html
>>
>>
>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/03/18/man-killed-bike-teens-charged-murder-albuquerque-nm/82514544007/
>>
>>
>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/teens-charged-murder-fatal-hit-run-bicyclist-captured-119900609
>>
>>
>>
>> These three punks used a stolen car to PURPOSELY hit a man riding his
>> bicycle to work at Sandia National Labs (so, somebody that had worked hard
>> on an education and did important work for the country, he was about 11
>> months older than me and had a PhD in physics).
>>
>>
>>
>> They were 15, 13, and 11 years old (13yo driving)
>>
>>
>>
>> The 11yo was “waving a gun and laughing during the crash”, but he is “too
>> young to be charged with murder” (in NM you have to be at least 14).  I say
>> if you are old enough to kill and carry a gun, then you are old enough to
>> die.
>>
>>
>>
>> Luckily these geniuses were smart enough to video and post their crime.
>>
>>
>>
>> And they can’t find the 11yo and the 15yo?!?!?!?!  I guess they aren’t at
>> home with their parents????
>>
>>
>>
>> I really like Albuquerque and do not want to leave the weather,
>> mountains, bike trails, etc.  But, we need a good tidal wave to clean out
>> all the human feces that have been allowed to waste perfectly good oxygen
>> here.  I absolutely can’t believe this!  Why aren’t we all rising up and
>> crashing the courts, demanding these little pricks be executed?  Why do we
>> have to be nice and follow the law?  If we don’t fight back, these prick
>> will continue to ruin lives and cities!
>>
>>
>>
>> Craig, soon to be an ex New Mexican.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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