[NMCycling] WTF is wrong with this world????

[Clay Moseley]

Agreed. The parents of these three kids have some huge responsibilities to
confront. This has ruined their kids' lives since now all three of them
have a lot of penance to confront and rehabilitation to go through. It's a
complete reprogramming (hopefully) that will put them on a better path
someday in the future. The odds are stacked against them now, however.

There should not be any sympathy (appropriately, of course) towards those
kids until they fully understand the gravity of what they did. It's going
to take a lot of rehabilitation to get there.

What messed up set of circumstances. I am just sick about the grief that
family must be enduring.

On Tue, Mar 18, 2025, 6:11 PM Andy Stravers via Bike-racers <
bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:

> This is a parenting issue.  You either teach, model, and hold accountable
> or you don't.  Doesn't erase the pain and trauma of the family of the
> victim.  But let's face it, society is a big mess right now.
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 7:13 PM Bob Perls via Bike-racers <
> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>
>> The other issue is that the parents should be held liable for the kid’s
>> actions as well. I don’t think a society should be putting children to
>> death,but I do think parents must assume liability for kids-especially with
>> guns not secured by parents, cars not secured, etc. Of course the kids
>> should lose their freedom and spend much of their lives repaying the family
>> of the deceased. Our laws must change. But killing kids is not the answer.
>>
>> Really it is representative of a wider problem of dangerous driving, lack
>> of punishment for breaking the law, etc. I am convinced that if people knew
>> they would get ticketed for speeding, for cheating on their tax return, and
>> other smaller crimes that it would be a deterrent to bigger crimes. There
>> really is a reason to support law and order without becoming an
>> authoritarian state.
>>
>> Bob Perls
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2025, at 5:01 PM, Jennifer Buntz via Bike-racers <
>> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Based on back stories I have learned through the ghost bike efforts I
>> think the trauma those children wrought on the Habermehl family goes
>> through them, back one or more generation.
>>
>> It is so sad in every aspect.
>>
>> Jennifer
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2025, 4:10 PM Craig Doolittle via Bike-racers <
>> bike-racers at mailman.swcp.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.kob.com/news/top-news/police-arrest-13-year-old-with-murder-for-deadly-hit-and-run-with-stolen-car/
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/murder-hit-run-albuquerque-scott-habermehl-b2717242.html
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/03/18/man-killed-bike-teens-charged-murder-albuquerque-nm/82514544007/
>>>
>>>
>>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/teens-charged-murder-fatal-hit-run-bicyclist-captured-119900609
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These three punks used a stolen car to PURPOSELY hit a man riding his
>>> bicycle to work at Sandia National Labs (so, somebody that had worked hard
>>> on an education and did important work for the country, he was about 11
>>> months older than me and had a PhD in physics).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They were 15, 13, and 11 years old (13yo driving)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The 11yo was “waving a gun and laughing during the crash”, but he is
>>> “too young to be charged with murder” (in NM you have to be at least 14).
>>> I say if you are old enough to kill and carry a gun, then you are old
>>> enough to die.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Luckily these geniuses were smart enough to video and post their crime.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And they can’t find the 11yo and the 15yo?!?!?!?!  I guess they aren’t
>>> at home with their parents????
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I really like Albuquerque and do not want to leave the weather,
>>> mountains, bike trails, etc.  But, we need a good tidal wave to clean out
>>> all the human feces that have been allowed to waste perfectly good oxygen
>>> here.  I absolutely can’t believe this!  Why aren’t we all rising up and
>>> crashing the courts, demanding these little pricks be executed?  Why do we
>>> have to be nice and follow the law?  If we don’t fight back, these prick
>>> will continue to ruin lives and cities!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Craig, soon to be an ex New Mexican.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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